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That would be the expletive "Man" as opposed to the "oh, sh_____!!!" expletive, which it replaced.

"Woman" just would NOT have the same "ring" (as in tonal quality, not wedded bliss).

BTW, has Nancy seen that comment about 2nd marriages from the other day? What did you say her e-mail address is!!!??? I think you need something IMPORTANT to do, and I can help you find it!!!![}:)][}:)][}:)]
 
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Back to the topic of this thread....

The posts that have been most beneficial to me are the ones that are comprehensive enough to include the process that led to the opinion, as the opinion is generally a result of the process.

As an example, If you don't like CA as a finish, explain how you sanded & applied the finish that you don't like. Perhaps the issue is with the process. (Was the CA applied with paper towels or cloth rags, lathe turning or not, what speed, sanding between coats or not, thin or thick, etc.)

I would expect the poster to accept both positive and negative feedback about the process, however when the thread devolves into personal comments about someones approach is when it becomes counter-productive. I appreciate knowing that I did something wrong. I appreciate more a suggestion of "Try this". A response of "You did it wrong and were stupid for doing it that way" accomplishes very little. I appreciate the experience that is represented on this site and can understand that there is a level of frustration about retracing elementary steps, however we all have to travel those same steps to gain the experience.

Also, please recognize that the one area that newbies cannot realistically try before asking the question is related to durability. I could wait 6 months to see how a particular finish holds up, but the experiences of others, under various use conditions is very beneficial.

Bob
 
Bob,
Crafting a sentence on a computer keyboard is not everyone's forte!!

Would that we could speak!! Many of these spats would be avoided.

I was impressed that Russ did NOT react with "good-by, good luck" after the last altercation degenerated. And, I was also impressed with the explanation "Tex" gave later. It seems that, given time, the existing group can get along pretty well. No moderator intervention required and the "spin-off topics" handled well.

None of us is looking for an argument, I don't believe. But, many feel strongly about THEIR chosen technique, pen kit, wood vs plastic, etc.

Hopefully, we all remember, this is about PENS, not world peace. More than one way can be correct and not every contibutor is Ernest Hemmingway on the keyboard. As long as the squabbles are ironed out in the end, we can achieve "peaceful co-existence" and continue to learn from each other's mistakes. This forum continues to mature and these misunderstandings seem to occur less often and contain less venim. All good things!!![:D][:D][:D]

FWIW
Ed
 
Ed,

I appreciate your comments and agree with the majority, however the point that I was attempting to make was that IMHO the inability to construct a sentence or the passion one feels for their craft should not relieve them from exercising courtesy.

Bob
 
Random response, not directed to anyone; this is me Kerouacishly (?) streaming consciousness, or the lack thereof [;)]
I just read the following posted on another forum in reference to not being afraid to learn by doing
and trial-and-error as well as not requiring someone to tell you how to do everything and it speaks volumes to me:

Continue to "embarrass yourself"
You will learn a lot more than watching someone else.
The guy who did ANYTHING first.
Who did he watch?

Gary
 
Originally posted by ed4copies
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None of us is looking for an argument, I don't believe.

I'm going to beat Cav to it. Two negatives in the sentence, therefore we all all looking for an argument.[:D][}:)]
 
ok my two cents worth.....

yes the regular search engine works, if you know what your asking it, but there are a lot of people who are for the lack of better terms logic illiterate, before anyone gets in a rough about it, in order for a search engine to work it needs:

1. a engine that has some sort of logic in it to do a search
2. a minimum set of parameters that allow the engine to work at an acceptable error rate vs speed(to avoid timeouts)
3. an input that meets the requirements of number 2.

for most search engines this means the user and server need fast connections, and the input needs to be more than 5 letters for the first word of the search, a lot of search engines won't take two letters in the search input.

The more words that are key the better and faster the search, a lot of new people know what they want to ask, but not how to ask it from the search engine of the site.

if you do a search on Google for "CA Finish" and you get over 3,500,000 entries, of those maybe 5 to 10 accutally are what your asking for, the same goes for our forum for a new person to pen turning that can be and is overwhelming, and they can get lost in all the information we have on CA both as a glue and as a finish.

I personally tend to start reading the results from the searches I do and end up getting side tracked, i.e. looking for out of round and ended up reading about how some acrylics that are "multi-colors" can sand at different rates depending on the color.... was looking for bent mandrel information.
 
Originally posted by wdcav1952
<br />Gerry, I also would say that the is should be are, and venom is not spelled venim. Other than that, Ed is right on! [}:)]

With all the respect due your age and coveted status as the resident steward of grammer, you are DEAD WRONG about the 'is.' The word none is like the word anybody and you would not say "anybody are."

You are however correct about venum.[:D][;)]
 
Actually Gerry, NONE is a contraction of "not one" and, as such my double negative would mean that either zero or some number more than one are looking for a fight. I think I just found it with you and Cav, so TWO were found!!!!!

Fortunately there will be no injuries, since we are experienced "fighters" and all other members should be encouraged "NOT to try this at home - leave it to the unpaid professionals!!!".[:0][:0][:0][:0]

Really busy today, so proofreading has not been on the agenda - SORRY!!
 
Hey Jeff,
Is there a way to list the most common searches? Knowing what the most people are looking for might help direct your fledgling support group to which tutorials are most wanted.
 
Gerry, much as it pains me, I have to admit you are right. Sorry, Ed, this admission took so much out of me that I have to retire from the fray to rest and plan my next devious post. [B)]
 
we're all a bunch of pen dorks who obviously love making pens enough to join an internet forum about them. and the fact will remain, as long as questions are posed, they will be answered in one form or another. the nice thing about having a continual flow of new members is that those of us who may recently have been asking for advice can now excitedly answer questions to those that are currently asking for it. and those who don't feel like answering a question for the umpteenth time don't have to...

and i know my question asking days are far from over, so look out! [:p]

tis a beautiful thing that has been created here!
 
Originally posted by ctwxlvr
<br />If you do a search on Google for "CA Finish" and you get over 3,500,000 entries, of those maybe 5 to 10 accutally are what your asking for, the same goes for our forum for a new person to pen turning that can be and is overwhelming, and they can get lost in all the information we have on CA both as a glue and as a finish.

I just did a google on ca finish and got 4,040,400 hits but if you put the words in quotations like "ca finish" you cut the hits down to 4,190
Perhaps we could use a tutorial on effective search techniques.


I have another idea...... I belong to a number of forums where you are sent a FAQ file when you join. Might something like that help us?
 
Originally posted by Mudder
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I have another idea...... I belong to a number of forums where you are sent a FAQ file when you join. Might something like that help us?

I do believe you're on to something there.
 
Hello Friends!

This is a great topic! I hope you don’t mind if I join in.

I will not join either side of this issue, because I think you’re all right! Yes, it would be great if everybody searched the archives before asking questions! And yes, I encourage people to ask questions, even if they are the same question asked many times before!

This place is about education. And it is about fellowship.

Education is a long journey on a circular path. As we learn, we begin to be able to teach at some point. As we teach, we find how little we know, and begin to learn again! There is a constant stream of people coming to our site, with a need to learn what we know. Some naturally dive into the archives, but others naturally ask, and when the answers come they are able to discern not only the worth of the answer, but the worth of the answerer.

By this I mean that there is more to answering these simple questions than imparting the same basic information over and over again. The answering is a connection between people. People join the IAP not because it is the best repository of penturning data in the universe, but because of the people here, and the connection they can make with them!

So the question is merely the means. The end result is fellowship. If you answer the same-old-question with “Your question is beneath us, check the archives before bothering us againâ€, then the only thing you have taught the person is that this is not the place for them.

I have always felt it is important to respond to the questions advanced by newcomers to this site, because it shows what kind of community this is. While their question may be painfully repetitive to us, it is of vast importance to them, and how important it is to them makes it important to me! I no longer answer every question myself. I don’t need to. There are so many good people here who have gone from being the student to being the teacher, and they answer the question better than I could have. I have instead have come around to understanding how little I know, and am again the student.

The best thing about the IAP is that it is a kind and compassionate community. While I feel we have one of the best repositories of penturning information in the world, I don’t think there has been a question asked here that hasn’t also been answered at the Yahoo Penturners. So to exist we have to be better. And to be better, we need more than just “Why don’t you look up that information in the library before bothering us?â€

Be kind to your fellow penturner. Learn what you need to, then teach what you can. And above all else, have fun!

Scott.
 
Scott,
Well said. Relationships, relationships, relationships! I do believe you are on to something here. I really like the idea of a FAQ being sent to new members when they join. It could not only give them some handles on basic topics especially if the "answers" were links to the database but it would teach about using the search function from the front end. And...we could still answer all questions that came. Best of both worlds.
 
I, too, like the idea of a faq being sent to new members. It is the family atmosphere that I so much enjoy here. I've been to other sites, but I like this one. Like real families, fights occasionally break out.

I have another idea.

How about creating another forum like the library, but instead of subcategories like years, name them the questions that get asked most often. I can think of some off the top of my head.

"Who makes the best click pen?"
"What's the best pen finish?"
"My CA finish method?"
"Pricing pens?"
"What do I need to get started?"
"Where is the best place to buy supplies?"

We have had excellent tutorials written about the CA finish. That being said, I have Gerryr's and Cozee's Ca finish copied as well, and they're not in the Library. The more I read about CA, the more my brain starts mulling it over and I start thinking of different things to try. Everybody who does something different could post. Talk about resources for new turners.

I often find it hard to find a thread that I have read before and then want to re-read it.
 
Speaking of the library, I don't see what purpose having the articles grouped by the year it was posted serves. I think it would be easier for everyone if there was just one "Articles" category.
 
On a woodworking forum that used to be, great, exceptional and extraordinary posts were moved by the moderator to a special forum after it ran its course of a week or two. Everyone could access it just like any individual forum. It provided both a quick access via link or reference, or immediate access without having to do a search. Just go to the "Special Posts" forum - that is where great "posts" are located.

It is my guess that 75% of all requests for information are contained or summarized within less than 1% of the posts.

Under a "Specials" or "Knowledge Base" forum, have two separate departments: 1. Great posts, 2. Articles. Links and references would be much easier to offer; "search challenged" individuals would find it easier to access.

Just my 2 yen! [:D]
 
Originally posted by gerryr
<br />Speaking of the library, I don't see what purpose having the articles grouped by the year it was posted serves. I think it would be easier for everyone if there was just one "Articles" category.

Funny you should mention that Gerry;

There is now a team in place that will look at the situation and see what we can do to improve the library experience. Look for a new thread shortly


Hank;

Dur to the exchange rate you'll have to kick in an extra Yen to be recognized. [}:)]
 
Wow, I never started a thread that went over a thousand views!!

The direction this thread has taken shows what I like about this site. There have been some serious posts, some frivolous posts, (Ed's specialty), some <b>very</b> mature thoughts, (thanks Gerry), some disagreement, and finally, a potential great result that I never thought of when I started the thread.

Yes we fight occasionally, like all families. Those who choose to fan the flames of a fight hopefully will learn from this to back off, and act like family members.

Thanks to Jeff, Scott, all the moderators and those with enough computer knowledge to bring to fruition the planned changes.
 
Originally posted by wdcav1952
<br />Wow, I never started a thread that went over a thousand views!!

Good for you, Cav...very good and thought provoking topic.
I think you are still experiencing the feeling that George alluded to in a post a couple pages back.

Ever notice how silly, repetative or simple some of the questions seem? ... Ever wonder why? Ever think that some folks just want to be part of the forum?

I have been on the forum long enough to experience the "Wow, not that question again..." and at the same time, enjoy seeing people, who, I remember asking that same question, being the first one to post replies.

I'm not sure how much I can do, but, I would like to offer my services to the team that is going to be working on the site. If you need any grunt work done in coraling information or just anything in general, I would like to help.
 
Originally posted by gerryr
<br />Speaking of the library, I don't see what purpose having the articles grouped by the year it was posted serves. I think it would be easier for everyone if there was just one "Articles" category.
I Agree 100%!

The following is not meant to be inflammatory, just pointing out what I see is part of the problem being discussed here and I write this in hopes that further harmony on the forum is attainable and new ideas are beneficial to current and future newbies.

In the few months that I have been a member I have seen several flair ups, disputes, thread hijacking, ugly word exchanges, etc. where the root cause of the problem was who's idea was first, who invented a particular technique, who coined a phrase, Joe's "perfect" CA method was questioned or is better than Fred's, Jim's sanding or finishing process is the best because he's been doing it longer, etc.

To me, there is a clear division on this forum... the newbies and the elders. The elders wrote articles, derived processes and perfected turning methods years ago and many consider their words to be gospel and any further discussion or improvement of said processes or challenging the validity of said techniques is almost paramount to IAP treason.

I think that not only doing away with dated material would help but also put the articles into a help area without identifying ownership.

Now before everyone starts booing the idea, just think about it.

The bottom line is to share ideas right? OK, the newbies really don't care what a process is called or who did it first so the anonymity would help stop the who did what first, or who owns a certain technique,... because if we are all truly here to help each other and have a good time making pens... it really doesn't matter does it?

Recently I wrote a short tutorial on how I did a knot design because many folks emailed me asking how I did this or that. It doesn't matter if my name is not associated with the tutorial because I want no notoriety or compensation for it or future writings, and it shouldn't matter if Sam came up with the knot idea first or that Fred wrote a similar tutorial two years ago... it just doesn't matter, it’s sharing ideas that matters. After all, these aren't top secret formulas for the secret sauce at McDonalds!

Undated, anonymous articles would provide the desired results as the newbies don’t need to know when the articles were written or by whom, just that they were! And if a few egos were put in check around here, I think the library would work beautifully, just list them from A to Z or from topic… and I have some ideas on that too but this is getting long! [:)]

Well, that's how I see it.

George

P.S. I may not be able to respond in a timely manner, we change RV parks today and I don't know if the next one down the road will afford me access to the internet or not.
 
Originally posted by Texatdurango
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To me, there is a clear division on this forum... the newbies and the elders. The elders wrote articles, derived processes and perfected turning methods years ago and many consider their words to be gospel and any further discussion or improvement of said processes or challenging the validity of said techniques is almost paramount to IAP treason.

I agree with most of what you said but I don't know about this part.
 
I see a division in the forums but it is not so much "Elders" and "Newbies" but people jumping in criticizing a person about opening a new topic on what he perceives has been answered a million times in as many topics, and people that are looking for help and those that are willing to answer it even though it has been answered million times before.

I think we have all been overwhelmed with the amount of information available on this site, it is a lot and not everybody is able to access it through a search, be it not sure what to ask the search engine or too slow a connection to allow the search to complete before it times out, the big search engines use a keep alive script that allows slower connections to remain connected, but it eats up a lot of bandwidth.

There may be some changes coming soon that will make the information offered on the main site easier to find and a more extensive FAQ list addressing some of these questions we have all seen pop up from time to time.
 
Originally posted by Dario
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Originally posted by Texatdurango
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To me, there is a clear division on this forum... the newbies and the elders. The elders wrote articles, derived processes and perfected turning methods years ago and many consider their words to be gospel and any further discussion or improvement of said processes or challenging the validity of said techniques is almost paramount to IAP treason.

I agree with most of what you said but I don't know about this part.

I basically agree with Dario on this. I don't see that division never recall seeing it, unless you're talking about the mindless banter that goes on amongst certain folks. I remember seeing that when I first found the site a couple years ago. I thought, "wow, these people really know each other." I have a friend who is much better at making pens than I and he has often been viewed as being extremely opinionated. We don't always agree on how to do something but there's never been even a hint of "my way is the only way." I have seen that from maybe 2-3 people who sometimes visit this site, but it is far from common.

That's my $1 worth(have to account for inflation).
 
I agree with Dario on this point. There are a few "sensative" individuals who get a little defensive or get into arguementative moods. There have been more than a few times where I have read a post and thought that was an A.H. response but those same people have later written long informative answers to newbie questions that were both considerate and friendly. I have been personally impressed by the thoughtful and informative responses my questions have generated. Though on occasion they have shown me that there is more than one way to skin a cat and that each way is the only acceptable method.

On a side note. The written word does not contain the clues we all use during personal conversation. The emoticons are a poor substitute for a genuine smile and relaxed body language. It is very easy to read something into a post or email that was never intended. If we read something that bothers us it may be best to not respond right away. Give it a little time to digest and we might find that it's not worth the effort or further posts may clarify the subject and we find our original impression was not what was intended.

I've babbled long enough, great thread, hope good things like this continue.
 
Originally posted by mdburn_em
<br />I, too, like the idea of a faq being sent to new members.

I just signed up for the Yahoo group. when I got back to my mailbox, I found these messages waiting for me:

penturners Moderator File - Tips and Tricks.pdf
penturners Moderator File - Penturners FAQ.htm
penturners Moderator Yahoo! Groups: Welcome to penturners.
penturners Moderator File - Penturners Group Rules.htm

The emails attached go into LOTS of detail, contain a ton of info, and I will probably refer to them before posting a question. something similar would be a great addition to this site.
 
Originally posted by Texatdurango

To me, there is a clear division on this forum... the newbies and the elders. The elders wrote articles, derived processes and perfected turning methods years ago and many consider their words to be gospel and any further discussion or improvement of said processes or challenging the validity of said techniques is almost paramount to IAP treason.

I think if there is a problem with any "division", it's self imposed. I still consider myself a student and find that I can learn from anyone regardless of how long they are turning. Each of us bring of own previous experiences when we first learn to turn and those experiences reflect what we do on a lathe. A new turner can as easily see something in a different way as a turner that has been turning for a few years.

Challenging techniques is not paramount to treason, I think it's comical to even suggest that. All turners challenge techniques, if you don't challenge, you stagnate.

But lets face it, after turning for a few years it possible they may know what works and what doesn't. They may have an idea where potential problems lie. Conversely, a new turner who thinks an "elder" has perfected has a process has a few more lessons to learn. Every turner I know who has been turning for more than a few years is still learning new techniques.

There is a turner on WoodCentral that has been turning for 70 years. About a year ago he started learning how to embellish his turnings by burning in designs. About a half year ago he was looking for critiques with his finials for his very thin hollow forms.

Bottom Line: Put 20 pen turners in a room and you will find 20 different techniques for turning pens and they will all be right.
 
Originally posted by Texatdurango
<br />To me, there is a clear division on this forum... the newbies and the elders. The elders wrote articles, derived processes and perfected turning methods years ago and many consider their words to be gospel and any further discussion or improvement of said processes or challenging the validity of said techniques is almost paramount to IAP treason.


I'm a little confused here George;

I don't Think I've noticed a separation or division on this forum but It's been a long time since I was a newbie so it might be that I'm on the other side of this fence and I did not notice or pay attention to it, I'll try to pay closer attention to it in the future.

As to your second statement I have to disagree and ask you to show me an example of what your talking about.




Originally posted by Texatdurango
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I think that not only doing away with dated material would help but also put the articles into a help area without identifying ownership.

How are we to know and determine what material is "dated"? Who is to decide what should stay and what should go?

There are some who would be content on submitting an article anonymously and others who would not. I for one would not have written a tutorial or taken the time to make a video tutorial if it had to be submitted anonymously and I'm sure that we would stifle the creativity on the site if that were to pass.

My feeling is that all articles should be posted and the membership should have the right to pick and choose what article we read. Perhaps one person does not have a pressure pot to do casting and if there was only one article on casting then they would be out of luck. Perhaps it was by reading all that is available on casting that a person was able to improve on or use a technique from two different articles to come up with an even better process. Why limit ourselves?

This is my opinion only and I'm open to anyone who has an opposing viewpoint.
 
I think Texatdurango makes some excellent points, although I would like to keep the authors name on tutorials in case we need to contact them with a question or comment. I agree with the observation that their is some division between the newbies (like myself[:p]) and the elders. I'm sure they don't realize it or do it on purpose but some feel their response carry more weight because they have 3000 posts than others who only have 100. Some of us don't have that much time to post, or only post if they feel they really have something important to say. I have even seen a response to my question changed after one of the veterans talked them out of it. Although there is merit to something being done a certain way for so many years or by so many people, it doesn't mean there isn't a better way. Maybe it's just me, but I learn more from new ideas and suggestions and usually stop listening when I hear "everybody does it this way" or "we have been doing it this way for xx years." We can all learn from each post. I am a supervisor at my job, and have had some pretty strange questions asked, but I have tried to learn from all of them.
Sorry for the ranting, this is one of the few times I thought I had something important to say! [xx(][xx(][xx(]
 
Originally posted by Texatdurango

In the few months that I have been a member I have seen several flair ups, disputes, thread hijacking, ugly word exchanges, etc. where the root cause of the problem was who's idea was first, who invented a particular technique, who coined a phrase, Joe's "perfect" CA method was questioned or is better than Fred's, Jim's sanding or finishing process is the best because he's been doing it longer, etc.

Get over it.
There will always be those that came before us and there will always be those that come after us.

I think that not only doing away with dated material would help but also put the articles into a help area without identifying ownership.

I Strongly Disagree.
Give me one good reason why I shouldn't have my name on a tutorial.

If I can't have my name on a tutorial, give me one good reason why I should spend the time to write one. It can take days, even weeks to write a good tutorial.

The bottom line is to share ideas right? OK, the newbies really don't care what a process is called or who did it first so the anonymity would help stop the who did what first, or who owns a certain technique,... because if we are all truly here to help each other and have a good time making pens... it really doesn't matter does it?

Yes it does matter.
Just like you enjoy getting an atta boy on SOYP. I enjoy being acknowledged for the techniques I've developed. I also enjoy sharing my ideas. But when people demand that I share my ideas, it just ticks me off.

Would you anonymously post a picture of a new pen that you made?
If you did, how many times would you anonymously post a picture of a new pen if you where not allowed to tell others you made it.


Undated, anonymous articles would provide the desired results as the newbies don’t need to know when the articles were written or by whom, just that they were! And if a few egos were put in check around here, I think the library would work beautifully, just list them from A to Z or from topic… and I have some ideas on that too but this is getting long!

Sorry Comrad, I enjoy sharing what I have learned, but I get the feeling you think we owe you something. That leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Of all the arts that are practiced by the people in this world, I don't think there is one that can match the way turners share their ideas. They share because they are good people. But insisting they they not be acknowledge is just plain petty on your part.
 
But, it's not the FIRST time this topic has been discussed, either.[:0][:0][:0]
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Where are we going with all this guys? From a newbe!

Les in Alberta
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George, you definitely have a knack for causing spirited conversation. That's a good thing.
I don't really agree that there is that big a division on the site. (Gerry, of course you don't think there's a division, you're one of 'em. [;)] )
There is a division because there are certain people I pay attention to more than others. (You are also one of those Gerry.) I give weight to the words of those who have demonstrated they deserve that respect. I don't really care if you've got 2 or 2000 posts.
Like it or not, the division is human nature and I don't think it will go away, nor is it bad if used properly.
As far as fights because of who had the idea first, I must not be paying attention that closely, because you really surprised me with that statement. I've never seen it, (doesn't mean it's not there) of course, I've never been accused of being particularly observant.

Statements I dread: "Honey, do you notice anything different?" [xx(]
 
I hope I don't get it for stickin' my foot in this one.
I'm having a terrible time keeping this straight, so I cheated.
Forgive me for the markup:

&lt;GB&gt; In the few months that I have been a member I have seen several flair ups, .... where the root cause of the problem was who's idea was first....
&lt;RS as edited by me&gt; <s> Let it go </s> ...
My personal feeling is that I want to know who developed a technique first, who built on it, who perfected one, et al. The lack of anonymity affords me an opportunity to develop relationships outside the forum. I have expanded my circle of friends and acquaintences by getting to know some of these people personally not just online.

&lt;GB&gt; I think that not only doing away with dated material would help but also put the articles into a help area without identifying ownership.
&lt;RS&gt; I Strongly Disagree. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't have my name on a tutorial.
If I can't have my name on a tutorial, give me one good reason why I should spend the time to write one. It can take days, even weeks to write a good tutorial.

The above shows that folks have different needs, expectations, goals and desires; this forum can accomodate both without a problem.

George, I've already commented as to why I like knowing who wrote a tutorial and Ron's response shows why we wouldn't want to end that practice YET it doesn't require those who want to submit tutorials anonymously from doing so.

As to doing away with dated material, Jeff has a cadre of volunteers to go through the material provided here, restructure it, reorganize it and help make it more accessible. Stuff that's deemed outdated, if there is any, will likely loose its URL. New material is being requested, harvested, and collected.

Ron, personal motives drive different people to do things so I can't give YOU a good reason to submit an anonymous tutorial, thus I won't try. Having said that, others might just want to do that and if so it's fine. Again, room for both.

&lt;RS&gt; Sorry Comrad...I get the feeling you think we owe you something. That leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

I don't read George that way -- again, showing there are many opinions amongst us.
However, I have a long memory and am pretty good at searching, hence:
http://www.penturners.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25375
-- if it's festering it needs to heal. It's [xx(], RIP.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, so:

"Let it go"

[;)][;)][;)]

Kind regards,
Gary
 
I have truly enjoyed reading all the posts in this thread! Thank you all for participating! It is nice to have confirmed for me, yet again, how much the people at IAP really care.

George brought up some interesting points. We have always had this quandary about acknowledging the extent to which someone participates here. On one hand it is nice to thank those who participate. But it is erroneous to think that any numbers relate to wisdom! Please don’t think that just because we’ve been around a while, that we know everything! The longer I am involved in penturning, the more I come to realize how little I really do know! Every time I visit the IAP, which is most every day, I learn something new, and often it is a newbie to the site that is doing the teaching! But like I said before, this site is about people â€" all of us â€" and it would be wrong to fail to acknowledge each individual’s contributions.

I am encouraged by the level of commitment engendered by this thread! We have been trying to generate some new articles for the site for some time. But they just aren’t coming in. We have some very talented people on this site. The articles that could be written just by the people who have posted on this thread are mind-boggling! So I would like to challenge you to stop thinking about it, and write an article! If you have never written an article before, and you don’t know if you can do it, I assure you that you can! I would volunteer to help with editing any article submitted to this site, if asked. I put it that way because I wouldn’t want to impose my editing on somebody who didn’t want it.

A lot of people don’t write articles because they feel it has been done before. Well, maybe the topic has come up before, but not from your perspective, and not with your unique take on the subject. So please take this challenge, and write an article for the IAP! I will even accept my own challenge, and write some new articles for the IAP. Pick out your favorite pen, and write!

I can hardly wait!

Scott.
 
Originally posted by Scott
<br />A lot of people don’t write articles because they feel it has been done before. Well, maybe the topic has come up before, but not from your perspective, and not with your unique take on the subject. So please take this challenge, and write an article for the IAP! I will even accept my own challenge, and write some new articles for the IAP. Pick out your favorite pen, and write!

I can hardly wait!

Scott.


Amen my brother.


I wish I could have said it that way.
 
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Originally posted by GaryMGg
&lt;RS&gt; Sorry Comrad...I get the feeling you think we owe you something. That leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

I don't read George that way -- again, showing there are many opinions amongst us.
However, I have a long memory and am pretty good at searching, hence:
http://www.penturners.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25375
-- if it's festering it needs to heal. It's [xx(], RIP.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, so:

"Let it go"

[;)][;)][;)]

Kind regards,
Gary

I won't argue the fact that I am a curmudgeon.
But I do have a short memory, I forgot about that one Gary.
Thanks for reminding me[:D]
 
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