Question Regarding "SalvagedTimber" Seller

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I'm wondering if the new seller in our Business Classifieds is the same
"SalvagedTimber" who sold wood in ebay. I had a pretty bad experience with the ebay "SalvagedTimber". It took months to get my wood from him. Others also had difficulty with him. He later ended up with a positive rating of only 93%. I think they are both located in North Central PA. If they are the same person, I would be cautious in dealing with him. I noticed he has about eight new ads in our classified.
I also pm'd him to check on this.
 
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Dunno... I emailed him to inform him that he wasn't allowed to flood the forum (something like 8 posts in his first day when we are allowed 3) and his email said Penn's Woods/Salvaged Timber, so I don't know if that sheds light on anything.
 
I bid, won and paid for wood from this person on Ebay a year or so ago. It never arrived. I emailed him 6-8 times and never got a response. Post office tracking showed he had never delivered the package to the post for shipping after getting the online label. When I went back to file a dispute on Ebay, that account had been closed. I got a flood of emails from him about 6 months ago about his new and improved online store. I emailed about the order that never arrived, and surpriise, surprise, I never heard from him again.

I won't waste any money on this person/business.
 
Guys...carefull here. It has not been demonstrated that the member "SalvagedTimber" here at IAP is the same as the fellow that took some of you on E-bay. Until it has been shown that the 2 are one and the same, please refrain from negative remarks towards the IAP member SalvagedTimber.
 
Originally posted by Tuba707
<br />Dunno... I emailed him to inform him that he wasn't allowed to flood the forum
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Joel,

If you see something like this in the future, please bring it to the attention of one of the moderators for action. I know that I e-mailed this member right after his 4th ad and made him aware of the rules. IMO, that should be left to the moderators. Thanks!
 
Joel,

The best way to help is to bring situation such as this to the attention of the moderators.

Here is an example why in this case:

What if you had just joined IAP and made a small mistake similar as this. The next thing you know, you have received messages from 20 or so regular members telling you that you are not allowed to do such and such. You also get messages from the moderators and even admin. I don't know about you but I would be intimidated and would probably not come back.

I certainly appreciate all the help I can get to do my job better and I would welcome a message from you or any other concerned member anytime you see something that needs my attention.
 
Originally posted by MesquiteMan
<br />.....If you see something like this in the future, please bring it to the attention of one of the moderators for action.....
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Which raises a question, Curtis. Jeff was supposed to be working on a button that would allow members to report questionable posts without having to track down PM or Email addresses of moderators. How is that project coming??
 
I have a unsettled matter with Bill but they never seemed to answer my emails. I did not realize that this was formerly Penns Woods. Would it be wrong of me to cancel a purchase from them if no payment has been made as of yet? I just do not want to take any chances after my last encounter with them.

Mike
 
Originally posted by MesquiteMan
<br />Guys...carefull here. It has not been demonstrated that the member "SalvagedTimber" here at IAP is the same as the fellow that took some of you on E-bay. Until it has been shown that the 2 are one and the same, please refrain from negative remarks towards the IAP member SalvagedTimber.
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Based on his profile name, address and email provided by Joel...I would say he is 99.99% the same person.

I dealt with him a lot of times in the past and he has nice wood. I never had any bad experience personally but know a lot of people who had (through emails). He had several eBay usernames that I know...all started great but eventually went south...mostly blamed on bad health. A shame since he really have great wood, especially cherry burls.

He is a nice guy but I am not sure if he have everything he need to run the business.

Here is a recent thread at SawMill Creek http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=61499

As you can see...there are 2 groups here, those who are happy with his dealings and those who are not. I played it safe and quit while I am ahead.
 
Well, it does apear, based on the info that Dario has posted, that this is the guy from Penns Woods.

Mike,

If you have an unsettled issue with them then I CERTAINLY would not go through with the payment to them. To me it would not be unethical to cancel due to your bad experience with them.
 
Hi,Penns Woods-Pennz Woodz-Bill Fourness are all one and the same. I do not know if Salvage Woods is the same firm. I do know that Penns Woods charged my CC and never shipped the wood. Peter
 
Dario,
It is the same person, Bill Fourness. I tried for over a month to get a hold of him, emails, phone calls, nothing. I am not wanting to influence anyone else, I just have unresolved issues with his company(?) so I would rather drop it, and forget about it. I am NOT insinuationg anything negative about him or his company, I had a bad experience and am dropping it. Thank you for your input Curtis and Dario.

Mike
 
Originally posted by MesquiteMan
<br />Well, it does apear, based on the info that Dario has posted, that this is the guy from Penns Woods.
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Under the circumstances, I wonder if Mr. Fourness should be contacted by a member of the staff of IAP for a complete explanation of his business situation and a requirement that he make good on all unresolved issues with IAP members under the threat of being banned from IAP membership?

One puzzle that does concern me a bit is that reputable businesses rarely change their names for no reason. Folks who change their names regularly or have multiple identities usually have something to hide.
 
So far this seems pretty calm and polite so we'll leave it open.

Perhaps SalvagedTimber could respond and add his side of the story.

Just a note... penturners.org can't verify the integrity of every seller, and as the TOS points out, we take no responsibility for transactions between members. HOWEVER, as a community we watch out for each other and make every effort to maintain the very high level of quality and dependability of our vendors.

So, SalvagedTimber, come on in and address these concerns -- you'll be helping yourself immensely.
 
You people are speaking of my dad. When he went for sugery june of this year, his place was broken into. He resolved the matter himself and is currently sitting in the county jail. Upon release he will resolve all open matters. He was had a bunch of health issues and other situations in the past that has caused him problems. I have no access to his banking or money. I am his son and staying at his home try my best to keep the bills paid, keeping food on the table for my sister and paying the mortage so he don't lose the place. As far as dealing with me keep your money till the wood shows up at your door. If it is worth the price I asked, then send the money. Or just keep the wood and put it to good use. All I am doing is trying to help my dad and doing what any son would do or should do.
If you would like me to try to resolve the matter e-mail me and I'll try my best, we don't have alot of money to spare, but do have a good bit of nice wood here.
William
 
Willaim, my order has been open/unresolved for 18months according to my records, but I will PM you the details. I don't want my money back, just my order filled. Then we can go from there, and hopefully move past this.

I am also sorry to hear about your fathers recent troubles...
 
William .... are you saying that you are willing to establish trust with us by you first sending the wood ..... then we can make the payment? I just want to make this clear.
Thanks
 
Yes DocStram will ship first, sending you tracking and when the wood shows up make payment. We have shipped several items already that were sold on here without being paid up front.
GlassScratch get me the details and we'll see what we can do. And no need for sorries, if it was not for bad things in life, we would not know what good things were and appericate them. And they just make us stronger.
And you all can just remember the bad, forgot about all the freedom pen blanks he cut this year and shipped out at his cost. Most of the time slipping extra wood in instead of packing material, fronted people wood to get there little turning business started, the fair prices he sold for, and such.
He raised us two since we were babies, most of the time worked two jobs, when his fingers got crushed and cut off in two places, he didn't quit, used what little money he had to start this business with. And now the pain he lives with with his spinal stenosis and knowing he will be all crippled up and not walk no more. He still tries. He has payed his own way in life, worked very hard for everything, paid for his mistakes in full with interest. And if that makes him a bad person, then I too would like to be a bad person like him.

William
 
And further more when Ebay closes your account down they block you out from all information. Including what has sold. So if you can't have access to your sold listings, how can you ship??? Further when the account is shut down, you are no longer a member and can not respond to messages from e-mails sent through ebay. So how you suppose to reply back? Hmmmmm

William
 
William, you sure have a great outlook on the situation with your Dad. I will be praying for his situation and want you to keep us posted as things go along. Thank you for being up front with us and I think you can expect this group to be very supportive.
 
William, best of luck to you and yours. You put things in perspective for me and I'm sure a few others as well. I'm sure you can count on the support of many here.
 
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There is a research study being offered now for the above product for Spinal Stenosis 1-866-300-6641
You might find someone in your area. (research studies pay to put the product in, and often pay you for time and travel.)
 
As I said I had good dealings with your dad. His problems before left quite a few discontented buyers. Most gave him 2nd and 3rd chance because of the health, IRS, relocation, financial, help, etc. issues and still got "burned". I hope you make this right this time. If you do, you will learn that woodworkers (in general) are very supportive and will come to your aid when needed.

If I ever need more cherry burls...you can count on me to buy more from you.

I hope William/Bill, get better and get released soon.

Good luck!!!
 
Re: Bill Fourness, in jail.
Find out for yourselves if Mr. Fourness is in Jail. Call:(814)274-4220 for the Potter County Jail.
Originally posted by salvagedtimber
<br />You people are speaking of my dad. When he went for sugery june of this year, his place was broken into. He resolved the matter himself and is currently sitting in the county jail. Upon release he will resolve all open matters. He was had a bunch of health issues and other situations in the past that has caused him problems. I have no access to his banking or money. I am his son and staying at his home try my best to keep the bills paid, keeping food on the table for my sister and paying the mortage so he don't lose the place. As far as dealing with me keep your money till the wood shows up at your door. If it is worth the price I asked, then send the money. Or just keep the wood and put it to good use. All I am doing is trying to help my dad and doing what any son would do or should do.
If you would like me to try to resolve the matter e-mail me and I'll try my best, we don't have alot of money to spare, but do have a good bit of nice wood here.
William
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I called the Potter County Jail. The jailer told me that there is nobody in their jail by the name of Fourness. (By the way, who is cncrndprsn07 and why would he suddenly join IAP to make this one post?)


Last year I made several purchases from "SalvagedTimber" in ebay. It literally took loads of unanswered emails over the course of several months before I got my wood. I was later told by "SalvagedTimber" that he had been injured in a "tree cutting accident". I eventually got my wood. If I remember correctly, he had changed his ebay username and continued getting a lot of negative ratings.

House broken into ..... taking the law "into his own hands" .... spinal stenosis .... plus the tree cutting accident all lead one to be very cautious.


Each of us may draw his/her own conclusion. As for myself, before I purchase any wood from "Son of SalvagedTimber" I would take him up on his offer of having the wood sent and delivered before making payment. His "see my wood first" approach seems to be a reasonable solution.

I look forward to hearing about the experiences IAP members have with this seller.
 
Originally posted by cncrndprsn07
<br />Re: Bill Fourness, in jail.
Find out for yourselves if Mr. Fourness is in Jail. Call:(814)274-4220 for the Potter County Jail.
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Originally posted by DocStram
I called the Potter County Jail. The jailer told me that there is nobody in their jail by the name of Fourness. (By the way, who is cncrndprsn07 and why would he suddenly join IAP to make this one post?)
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The plot thickens...
 
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I am sorry but I am not buying the story. The wording and syntax of the ads here at IAP are way to similar to ads from months and even years ago that were supposedly from William the father. That plus the fact that there is no William Fourness in jail in that county make me VERY suspiscious. I hope I am wrong since I really like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Is there any way to validate the story. Maybe he is in jail in another county? Maybe he is already out of jail?
 
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