Peddle getting Stuck?

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For that guy who's peddle got stuck in the Toyota Prius. You know, the guy who went 20 miles with it 'stuck.' The same guy who got up to 94 mph...... Did you ever once think to just turn the key off or put the car in neutral during that whole time? (he needs to have Jethro Gibbs smack in the back of the head.)
 
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They asked him about putting it in neutral. He said that he was "unfamiliar with the transmission in that car and was afraid it would make the car flip". YIKES.

Drivers of other models of 'yotas have reported turning the ignition key off not stopping the motor. Don't you love "drive by wire" vehicles?
 
Just to play devil's advocate here - I've thought the same thing but as I've come to understand it based on what I've read in other forums, the Prius systems aren't like traditional cars. Everything is "by wire". Keyless ignition, electronic shifter, electronic throttle. Given all that and having a background in computer engineering it's completely plausible to me that there is actually a computer error happening here (even though Toyota denies it) and all those inputs become unresponsive. Like when your PC seems to hang and ignores the keyboard and mouse. It's still running in there, you just can't interact with it.
 
True but you would think there would be a master off button like a computer as well as a Reboot feature on the fly.....
 
Maybe Toyota should install a CTRL + ALT + Delete keys on the steering wheel, so the owners can reboot the vista software. Sounds like it's not compatible with the hardware..... LOL, Sorry I just had to go there...
 
It is quite possible that the engine can't be turned off when the car is in gear and moving because you would lose power steering and braking. AND it may be intentional.

Hmmm, I'm going to stop ia a large parking lot and try that on my toyota...
 
Maybe Toyota should install a CTRL + ALT + Delete keys on the steering wheel, so the owners can reboot the vista software. Sounds like it's not compatible with the hardware..... LOL, Sorry I just had to go there...

Hey!!!! what's with hatin' on Vista, mine hasn't given me any problems. :biggrin:
 
If I heard the story correctly, he tried to turn the car off with the push button but it didn't work. Maybe he didn't push it all the way the first few times but after a while it finally worked and that is what allowed the car to stop.

Just seems like the fix may not be the correct fix......But I am not an electrical engineer........
 
I think this is "manufactured" news. I've never been in a Prius that would run anywhere close to 90 MPH! The ones I have been in could have been stopped by trying to go up a small hill.
 
For that guy who's peddle got stuck in the Toyota Prius. You know, the guy who went 20 miles with it 'stuck.' The same guy who got up to 94 mph...... Did you ever once think to just turn the key off or put the car in neutral during that whole time? (he needs to have Jethro Gibbs smack in the back of the head.)
Actually, do not turn the car off since this will disable the power steering. Put the car in neutral and then the breaks will work. Slow it down and then shut the car off. Hopefully, that will reset whatever electrical glitch is causing the silly beast to accelerate.
 
Toyota is using Windows ME.

I thought they got a great deal on all the leftover MS Bob licenses. :eek:

PenMan1 said:
I think this is "manufactured" news. I've never been in a Prius that would run anywhere close to 90 MPH! The ones I have been in could have been stopped by trying to go up a small hill.

I might think the same thing except that I used to have a Suzuki Swift. (Think Geo Metro with a trunk.) It had trouble climbing hills, but with a long enough flat or gentle downhill, it would get up to 90+ eventually. 45-50MPG makes up for a lot, though.
 
The Prius is a different breed of car. I test drove one with my wife. There is no key. Ok, there is a key, but there is no ignition key. The key is just a card, like a credit card and you keep it in your wallet. If the key is anywhere within a certain distance of the car, then the car is operational. You push a button called D. That's all you do. There is no R,1,2,N,D,O like a normal car. There is D and there is R. You sure can't push the R button when moving forward..the car won't even let you if it was possible anyhow. For the Prius, I can absolutely see how someone could get stuck for 20 minutes running 94 mph, because there is no off button. When you stop the car, you get out and walk away, that's it. Now I imagine if he had thrown the key out the window, maybe the car would have turned off, but I can't say for sure. There is that issue of turning off the car will prevent any braking power and steering power. We all know that you can steer a car without power assist, be we also all know that if you turn the key off in a modern vehicle, then the steering wheel can only be turned a tiny bit before it locks and then will not move at all..that would be extra bad.

If this had not been a Prius, then I'd sure agree that the driver needs a smack. You just toss the car into neutral, that's it. The engine will not over rev and blow up either, because they have a limiter on them. So then it is simply out of gear and you can use your breaks to slow you down or just coast to a stop. I do not know if any of the other hybrids operate with the same ideas as the Prius. It is a very strange and scary type of vehicle.
 
Smart? Car

I flew by (I mean carefully passed) a Smart car in my pickup yesterday. I asked myself, "Self, if that guys accelerator gets stuck wide open, what is he gonna run into at top speed and still survive?" I must have said it out loud because LOL said "top speed is probably 35 mph."
 
I flew by (I mean carefully passed) a Smart car in my pickup yesterday. I asked myself, "Self, if that guys accelerator gets stuck wide open, what is he gonna run into at top speed and still survive?" I must have said it out loud because LOL said "top speed is probably 35 mph."

You haven't really seen a smart car until you pass one on the Highway driving an 18 wheeler!!! :biggrin: Heck, the car looks like a chrysler town and country mini van that got split in two crossing the train tracks.
 
If it was all a computer thing, I've got to wonder if we are not starting into the era of.... "The Terminator?" :eek:
 
I own a Toyota car that has the start/stop button instead of the traditional key. To "activate" start or stop, the brake pedal has to be engaged AND the car placed in the park position before you can start or stop the motor. Also, the gearshift is made so that even if you intentionally or accidentally tried to shift the gear lever, while moving above a certain speed, you physically could move it but the computer would ignore it.
 
I own a Toyota car that has the start/stop button instead of the traditional key. To "activate" start or stop, the brake pedal has to be engaged AND the car placed in the park position before you can start or stop the motor. Also, the gearshift is made so that even if you intentionally or accidentally tried to shift the gear lever, while moving above a certain speed, you physically could move it but the computer would ignore it.
That's what I want, a car that ignores my commands. I already have a wife and kids, the car would fit right in.
 
I work for a very large insurance company in BC and we have a few law suits against claims that they say they turned the key off and brakes on and nothing happened. So what about the E brake?? is it electronic too????

Lin.
 
"That's what I want, a car that ignores my commands. I already have a wife and kids, the car would fit right in."

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I own a Toyota car that has the start/stop button instead of the traditional key. To "activate" start or stop, the brake pedal has to be engaged AND the car placed in the park position before you can start or stop the motor. Also, the gearshift is made so that even if you intentionally or accidentally tried to shift the gear lever, while moving above a certain speed, you physically could move it but the computer would ignore it.

"STOP" can be activated while in motion. A quick press of the button won't do it though, so you can't accidentally turn off the vehicle if you bump it. It needs to be held down for 3 seconds to turn off the engine. You will lose power assist for the braking and steering, but both have manual backups that would continue to work just fine. Same thing for shifting into Neutral. A quick movement of the shifter won't do it as the shifter returns to its home location regardless of what gear you put it into. Needs to be held in neutral for a couple of seconds to take effect. Again to avoid accidental bumping of the shifter. That is how it works in my Prius. I've tested the neutral shifting, but not the powering off. Information on both came from the owners manual which I read when I first got the car.
 
I saw that thing about the guy going over 90 in a Prius and needing help to stop. I'm surprised he didn't have a hot cup of McDonalds coffee he could conveniently spill on himself while he was at it! Sheesh!

My Wife and I own a 2010 Prius. It is an amazing, wonderful car. Probably the best car we have owned. But anybody who thinks their car (or anything) is perfect, is a fool. If you hold the power button for 3 seconds it will turn it off. Thank you James (Draken) for pointing out that holding the shifter in neutral for 3 seconds will also work. It's nice to know that if my car happens to be one of the minuscule number of these cars that has problems, that I know the appropriate way to deal with it. Either that, or I could go get a nice hot cup of McDonalds coffee to take along on my next ride! ;-)

Scott.
 
I saw that thing about the guy going over 90 in a Prius and needing help to stop. I'm surprised he didn't have a hot cup of McDonalds coffee he could conveniently spill on himself while he was at it! Sheesh!

My Wife and I own a 2010 Prius. It is an amazing, wonderful car. Probably the best car we have owned. But anybody who thinks their car (or anything) is perfect, is a fool. If you hold the power button for 3 seconds it will turn it off. Thank you James (Draken) for pointing out that holding the shifter in neutral for 3 seconds will also work. It's nice to know that if my car happens to be one of the minuscule number of these cars that has problems, that I know the appropriate way to deal with it. Either that, or I could go get a nice hot cup of McDonalds coffee to take along on my next ride! ;-)

Scott.
Make sure you keep your coffee between your legs, the cup holders are for loose change.
 
Lin, I was wondering the same thing. Last I knew they were still making cars with emergency brakes. They are supposed to be cable operated rather than run through the hydraulic brake system. You can't just slam the emergency brake on because it can easily lock up the wheels, but if you apply it gently it should put a pretty severe cramp on the wheels and get them stopped. The problem is that people so rarely use the emergency brake anymore that its use doesn't pop up in your brain when faced with an emergency of this sort.
 
The Prius also has a "B" brake position that can be shifted into while driving. The intent is to use the engine to slow the car when going down mountains. This should have helped to slow the car down.
 
The problem is that people so rarely use the emergency brake anymore that its use doesn't pop up in your brain when faced with an emergency of this sort.

Also, since it's only on two wheels, you'll overheat and glaze the pads pretty quickly. I've had a couple of cars where the e-brake is a set of undersized drum brakes inside the hub of the rear discs. It might work for one stop from highway speed in a brake failure, but having to overpower the engine would glaze it before you got stopped. They really don't make it to be an emergency brake anymore, just a parking brake.
 
They really don't make it to be an emergency brake anymore, just a parking brake.

And not even that, sometimes. I took my 2000 Chevy Silverado in for service because the "parking brake" wasn't working. The service adviser put it in reverse and the truck didn't move on flat ground at idle. She said it was "fine" and they would not fix it. So I told her if the parking brake was "just fine" then they wouldn't mind the truck hitting the brand new corvette that was in front of me. I put the truck in drive (at idle on flat ground) and it started rolling forward towards the 'vette, even with the parking brake pushed to the floor. She finally hit the brakes just before it hit and got special manager's approval to fix the parking brake. So as long as the parking brake works in one direction with no force on it, Chevy is happy.

Besides, according to a friend who is a crash investigator, if you lock up just your back brakes the back end will swing around causing all sorts of unhappy events. You have to apply stopping force to all 4 wheels to have a controlled stop.
 
Besides, according to a friend who is a crash investigator, if you lock up just your back brakes the back end will swing around causing all sorts of unhappy events. You have to apply stopping force to all 4 wheels to have a controlled stop.

Not necessarily; they key is in not locking up the back brakes while the fronts are still gripping properly. Locked wheels exert less force than braked-but-gripping ones, (and under bad enough conditions, even less than free-spinning ones) so the end that's moving more freely tries to pass the end that's exerting more drag. That's why brake systems are (or should be) biased to lock the front brakes well before the rear ones.

It is possible to put the back brakes on slightly as sort of a "sea anchor" to keep the vehicle running straight on a tricky surface, but it's dangerous in practice, since if they skid even a little bit, you can get into a spin that's hard to recover from.
 
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That was my expectation and thought processes too. But in his training they did experiments where they locked up the back wheels without applying any braking to the fronts and the back end still came around to the front. Intellectually, I don't understand it but it has been empirically proven.

GK

Not necessarily; they key is in not locking up the back brakes while the fronts are still gripping properly. Locked wheels exert less force than braked-but-gripping ones, (and under bad enough conditions, even less than free-spinning ones) so the end that's moving more freely tries to pass the end that's exerting more drag. That's why brake systems are (or should be) biased to lock the front brakes well before the rear ones.

It is possible to put the back brakes on slightly as sort of a "sea anchor" to keep the vehicle running straight on a tricky surface, but it's dangerous in practice, since if they skid even a little bit, you can get into a spin that's hard to recover from.
 
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