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DozerMite said:
There is also NO REASON to intentionally be derogatory or condescending.
Do you like it when someone treats you like an idiot just because you don't know something. How about casting a photochromic blank?
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James, I wasn't aware I was being derogatory or condescending and I meant what I wrote in a friendly way. Maybe this is part of the reason the reason people are so upset, things are being taken out of context. If I offended you with something that I said, it wasn't meant that way.
 
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DozerMite said:
I think some of these comments, especially the last couple pages, are what people are talking about. There is no reason to be an a$$ because someone has an opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion whether you agree with it or not.
People like to bring up that there are 8,000 members. Where are they?? How many are actually active?? Where did they go and why?? Did they leave because this is such a great and friendly place?
If you read the comments about IAP on other sites, you have to agree, some are valid points.
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DozerMite said:
There is also NO REASON to intentionally be derogatory or condescending.
Do you like it when someone treats you like an idiot just because you don't know something. How about casting a photochromic blank?
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Neil,
wasn't offended. It just seems that when a discussion gets past a couple pages, it goes south fast and everyone is quick to jump on someones opinion and bash them.

All I'm saying, is maybe these types of threads, are what they are speaking of.
 
You

pwhay said:
As a penmaker from 8000 miles away I was attracted by the name of the site International.
Result was I joined and have made efforts to introduce some Australian traditions such as fair play,honesty and downright sharing. When I make a pen I have tried to say the name of the timber, where it grows especially if it is Australian for no other reason than to share. My Avatar was prompted by the huge number of people I have met who have no concept of where we live, language we speak, our accent etc in my travels around the world. We can be misunderstood one with another over basic English expression.

We have a daughter living with her family in the United States who teaches middle School there was recently asked by a parent to say something in Australian waiting for some strange utterance.

Basically we all crave kindness and understanding. My observation is there are a tremendous number of members of the IAP who are Professional Pen Makers who are extremely generous. I have had incredible dealings purchasing timber from the ads placed
on our forum indeed have been able to source timbers much nearer to Australia.

Our Australian dollar has fluctuated from down to 50 odd cents on the US up now to 92 cents in the US dollar so our sense of value is coloured by our experience.

It is everyones privilige to share or not I choose to share and will continue to do so. My means ie age pensioner dictates my choice of kit Slimline now with Streamline bands and I am never fazed when comments are made such as what a waste of beautiful timber on such
a cheap kit etc. I live within my means and capabilities seeing through my 75 year old body with 15 yr old perception through to maturity. My family that is my wife and I with our children, grandchildren and 16 gg children now total 66 of us so I have a broad spectrum of experiences.

Finally I have made some great friendships on the forum and claim equal rights to my own opinions as do you. Have fun. Peter.
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You are a fine example of what we all should be like and strive to do. I have noticed a little sensitivity to releasing "secrets" but it doesn't bother me. I'd rather be up front and disclose all I do. The chances of anyone hurting my business by knowing how I do things is very unlikely. I'd rather be open, share and kid around with people a little.
John, in Texas, Northwest of Australia
 
If you actually read all the comments posted on said website, not everyone's being so derogatory of IAP or of the 360experiment not handing out how-to's!

Although I do think this site has a tendency to jump on a thread, this works in positives and negatives! Many will jump on a thread for a very nicely made pen, but also many will jump on a thread that is even slightly critical. But with 8000 members its gotta be expected!

For the record ill still be using both sites! And have received many tips and advice that I wouldn't of got with IAP or a few members Ive met through! And am very grateful for this!

PHIL
 
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philbaldwin said:
If you actually read all the comments posted on said website, not everyone's being so derogatory of IAP or of the 360experiment not handing out how-to's!

Although I do think this site has a tendency to jump on a thread, this works in positives and negatives! Many will jump on a thread for a very nicely made pen, but also many will jump on a thread that is even slightly critical. But with 8000 members its gotta be expected!

For the record ill still be using both sites! And have received many tips and advice that I wouldn't of got with IAP or a few members Ive met through! And am very grateful for this!

PHIL
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What other site??
 
DozerMite said:
It just seems that when a discussion gets past a couple pages, it goes south fast and everyone is quick to jump on someones opinion and bash them.

All I'm saying, is maybe these types of threads, are what they are speaking of.
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That has been happening on every forum in the world as long as there
have been forums. It's the nature of communication without contact.

One person says something, someone asks a question or makes a point a
little off to one side, and an answer comes back from the other side. A
comment gets made that is even further off to one side, an answer comes
back even further from the other side.

And so the pendulum swings.

Part of it is that the question or followup might give the impression that
there's a lack of understanding, so the reply might over-emphasize a
point. And someone might take that the wrong way and respond from
even further afield. And feelings get trampled.

Were the conversations to happen face to face .. or even via telephone,
most of the mis-communications would cease. Then again, the threads
would be shorter..

For the record, I don't think everything should just be handed to anyone
who asks for it.

Only to me.

And Neil is still out of my will. I figured out MY OWN 359 degree herringbone
 
If anyone is interested in the Herringbone 360 blank, please see the Southeast Chapter section, there is a thread there that will show you how to create Herringbone 360 blanks......
 
I can't see any reason for anyone to put down this site. If someone comes up with a new idea I don't blame them for not telling everyone how to do it for a while. Just look into the offerings many companies are selling now that were originally ideas that someone on here came up with. If someone comes up with a new idea they might as well profit from it for a little while before it gets copied. As far as sharing information I have to thank everyone on here for the information they share because just about everything I know about penmaking I learned on here. If I had not found this site the way I started making simple slimlines with a friction polish finish would have gotten old real fast. Thanks to everyone on here giving me so many ideas to try. I enjoy making pens more now than I did when I started two years ago. I especially enjoy passing on things I learn on here with other local turners and maybe one day I can come up with an original idea to pass on here. I know some people may read the banter going back and forth though these posts and think everyone is upset with each other but I don't feel that is the case. If everyone reads close enough I think they will this group is like a bunch of close friends that feel comfortable enough with each other to express their own opinion and at the end of the day still be friends.
 
I started on the IAP learning pens now I have spread the knowledge to my sons. It is great to be on a site that is helpful and not bringing up copyright laws all the time. I am on another site(which isn't pens) and it seems to be in the back ground all the time. This is a hobby and I can't think of a hobby you can make a full living on it. Thanks IAP
 
Last night my wife, the weaver, shared with me a Peter Collingswood pub, The Journal for Weavers, Spinners, and Dyers. Peter died a year ago. He was a notable British Weaver who moved from being a Doctor to being amongst the foremost weavers in the world. His son Jason provided an opening to this small book - a quote is appropriate here

"He was always there to answer any question and rather annoyingly he knew the answers to all of them. Even more infuriating was the fact that he'd never just tell me the answer but guide me through the process of figuring it out. The more I think about it, the more I can appreciate his presence and influence on me growing up as a child".

Peter did put all his publications into the public domain before his death. His writing are detailed and complex - none are tutorial. I get to understand them then translate them to my wife. Interesting work opportunity between our personalities.

I know I am frustrated with teachers who make me learn how to make it work, rather than teach a process that I can copy, but I like the outcome of learning to think it thorugh rather than just following a process.

Then again the world is divided between the polar positions of outcome oriented and process oriented people.

I started with figuring out 4 sided, then figured and calcualted the 6 sided and the 8 sided tiled herringbone patterns. The pieces get smaller and smaller as the number of sides gets larger, but they can make some nice bottle stoppers with larger number of sides.

Blessings to all and may the process followers find peace in patterns.
 
I think that the problem is that the hobby has progressed. From a first few basic offerings supplied by major vendors that eventually we all tried to duplicate (ie PR blanks kitless pens etc...) and then master to where the industry is now duplicating what many hobbiests are producing in their shops on meager means.

Some people obviously take offense to industry "stealing" our ideas and products as a community and others could really care less as long they can either A). get the item at a cheaper price or B). learn how to do it on their own. The people in the first group tend to get mad and get secretive with their new processes versus the way they used to share, and the people in the second group get mad because they can't satisfy A or B stated above, so the cycle starts over again with B asking and A denying and this forum having a post like this.
 
As a semi beginner.

I love this forum. I for one like to see what other have done and everyone is will to give some info but I don't expect to be told step by step how things are done. If i see something that has been done i will try and figure it out and give it a try (that is part of learning hands on) or think of something of my own and show pictures of it and get advice from everyone on how to improve it. I still am waiting on the step by step procedures on the cat s**t pen:cool: and needs to have the hazmat steps too.:biggrin:
 
step 2, scoop. Step 3, put in toaster oven,.....now I am getting sick just remembering all that I went through for the glory of making the most disgusting pen of 09! What the hell was i thinking!
 
MesquiteMan said:
step 2, scoop. Step 3, put in toaster oven,.....now I am getting sick just remembering all that I went through for the glory of making the most disgusting pen of 09! What the hell was i thinking!
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That it was an achievement that nobody will ever match.

Until the roadkill faceplate pen, that is.
 
i'm a new member. and i haven't turning pens very long. when i come to this site. I'm inspired by what you folks are doing here. i see the 360 and WOW! But I don't what to be told how to do it. But i sure whould like to figure it out, and make my own version of it. just my 2 cent worth. Now all i have to do is make a good enough pen to post. Gary
 
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