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Will the real master of Steampunk please stand!
….Says Simon Taylor, the greatest Steampunk creator of all time. His simple post says volumes about his integrity. He gets my vote for "Legendary Patience" over all this ruckus.
Check out his work through this link: SteampunkGuage_2_B_zps6bdaa0c0.jpg Photo by Si90 | Photobucket
….Says Simon Taylor, the greatest Steampunk creator of all time. His simple post says volumes about his integrity. He gets my vote for "Legendary Patience" over all this ruckus.
Check out his work through this link: SteampunkGuage_2_B_zps6bdaa0c0.jpg Photo by Si90 | Photobucket
mark james
IAP Collection, Curator
Les... This all is probably a done deal. If it is on the next cover, good chance they already have a design patent. If so, then NO acknowledgement is possible, or they would be admitting to a false application! If I'm wrong, I stand corrected.
And while you they can't patent "Steampunk" as "Their" concept, there are elements that also look like Si90's work, and possibly the Gisi's. I'll have double check on that, but a few weeks back I thought I saw some of their work.
The real thing that I have a problem with is that the work for the "original" concepts had to take months and months, and reflected great levels of quality. Now we will have a mass-produced kit/components/thingies...that simply will not reproduce the original quality - as well as Alan's quality I suspect. Thus, when folks buy the PSI product and it lives up to "PSI quality" (which in many cases I am very fine with BTW), the "High Quality" work of the originals will be possibly diminished in buyers' perceptions.
And while you they can't patent "Steampunk" as "Their" concept, there are elements that also look like Si90's work, and possibly the Gisi's. I'll have double check on that, but a few weeks back I thought I saw some of their work.
The real thing that I have a problem with is that the work for the "original" concepts had to take months and months, and reflected great levels of quality. Now we will have a mass-produced kit/components/thingies...that simply will not reproduce the original quality - as well as Alan's quality I suspect. Thus, when folks buy the PSI product and it lives up to "PSI quality" (which in many cases I am very fine with BTW), the "High Quality" work of the originals will be possibly diminished in buyers' perceptions.
mark james
IAP Collection, Curator
YEA - You beat me by a few minutes.. And you are exactly correct!
nappy155
Member
because allen to it upon himself to name it that way...it was never aimed to be a gatling gun, allen got it wrong...the name of the pen is steampunk...
nappy155
Member
I can't deny that I like the pen, I do, it's pretty cool whether the idea was original or cribbed from Jeff's or not. I guess it has some similarities. That's for Jeff to argue.
It's not the first time we have seen a mass produced KIT that looks very similar to pens shown here...trust me I know. We also have many pens shown here from regular members, where it is obvious where they got their inspiration from but they say nothing.
What upsets me is that I had no idea until now that either Ashaw and Diaper (or Nappy or Dope or whatever his name is..) were / are affiliated with any vendor.
I reckon that such people should make it quite clear in their signatures who they are. We shouldn't have to check out their profiles to find out.
Anyone that knows me, knows that I'm not a lover of the commercialization of IAP but I appreciate that the bills have to be paid.
There are several member / vendors that I really like and one or two that I don't. I very rarely comment in any SOYP thread that advertises vendors.
Sorry guys, but you just changed camps ....
It's not the first time we have seen a mass produced KIT that looks very similar to pens shown here...trust me I know. We also have many pens shown here from regular members, where it is obvious where they got their inspiration from but they say nothing.
What upsets me is that I had no idea until now that either Ashaw and Diaper (or Nappy or Dope or whatever his name is..) were / are affiliated with any vendor.
I reckon that such people should make it quite clear in their signatures who they are. We shouldn't have to check out their profiles to find out.
Anyone that knows me, knows that I'm not a lover of the commercialization of IAP but I appreciate that the bills have to be paid.
There are several member / vendors that I really like and one or two that I don't. I very rarely comment in any SOYP thread that advertises vendors.
Sorry guys, but you just changed camps ....
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Dan Masshardt
Member
It is def an interesting kit.
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jondavidj
Member
I would respectfully disagree with some of the discussion. I did not see in this post where a vendor was doing any advertising. Just because someone works for PSI, which I am sure employs many, Crafts Supplies, etc. Most are members on this forum, like us, because they enjoy the pen turning world and like to learn new ideas and offer insights.
I may be wrong, but I think, that this is probably a pen that has not been released yet and probably shouldn't have showed any pictures because it is in the upcoming catalog, which if the catalog is out, I have not seen.
When you show a product that hasn't been released, the naming is obviously different. Much like the iPhone, I am sure Apple would not want anyone releasing pictures, etc, until it is introduced by them first.
I have read all of the pages and I do not think Nappy misled anyone. I think he was doing his job. From my understanding, he is a designer with PSI, and if his product or project, or his companies' product or project, was released earlier, I think he would probably have the right to be upset or not wanting to comment on any details because it would take away from the catalog release. Personally, if I was him, I would have respectfully asked that this thread be taken down until the release.
But I do not think anyone from PSI misled or was not honest. This is my opinion and the way that I read this thread.
Just because he works for PSI, does that mean he should have a symbol by his name to identify himself? I don't think so, because if he is not advertising, why should he? He is on this site just like everyone else. Does Ed not turn pens? Does Roy not turn pens? or make them? So should anyone who sells kits or blanks not be able to post their work? If they want to remain anonymous, then why is that an issue?
Personally, I don't mind it if he was advertising, because I think that most of the businesses on here are top notch and very helpful. Hell, even American Express loves them? They remind me every month...
They always go the extra mile for customers and customer service.
As far as it possibly looking like another pen, doesn't the European model the Mont Blanc? This is just one example I can think of, but I am sure there are others.
I just do not see anything wrong here and I certainly do not want to see anyone outcasted because they work for a vendor.
My opinion. sorry it was long.
I may be wrong, but I think, that this is probably a pen that has not been released yet and probably shouldn't have showed any pictures because it is in the upcoming catalog, which if the catalog is out, I have not seen.
When you show a product that hasn't been released, the naming is obviously different. Much like the iPhone, I am sure Apple would not want anyone releasing pictures, etc, until it is introduced by them first.
I have read all of the pages and I do not think Nappy misled anyone. I think he was doing his job. From my understanding, he is a designer with PSI, and if his product or project, or his companies' product or project, was released earlier, I think he would probably have the right to be upset or not wanting to comment on any details because it would take away from the catalog release. Personally, if I was him, I would have respectfully asked that this thread be taken down until the release.
But I do not think anyone from PSI misled or was not honest. This is my opinion and the way that I read this thread.
Just because he works for PSI, does that mean he should have a symbol by his name to identify himself? I don't think so, because if he is not advertising, why should he? He is on this site just like everyone else. Does Ed not turn pens? Does Roy not turn pens? or make them? So should anyone who sells kits or blanks not be able to post their work? If they want to remain anonymous, then why is that an issue?
Personally, I don't mind it if he was advertising, because I think that most of the businesses on here are top notch and very helpful. Hell, even American Express loves them? They remind me every month...
They always go the extra mile for customers and customer service. As far as it possibly looking like another pen, doesn't the European model the Mont Blanc? This is just one example I can think of, but I am sure there are others.
I just do not see anything wrong here and I certainly do not want to see anyone outcasted because they work for a vendor.
My opinion. sorry it was long.
ladycop322
Member
Where will I be able to order this and approximately when?
Thank you
Thank you
Brooks803
Member
I'm not going to jump all the way into this, but I think conclusions are being drawn without all the info.
Ashaw (Alan) doesn't work for PSI. I believe the arrangement for this pen was something along the lines of the Art Deco with David Broadwell.
Nappy155 (Stephen) does work for PSI.
Ashaw (Alan) doesn't work for PSI. I believe the arrangement for this pen was something along the lines of the Art Deco with David Broadwell.
Nappy155 (Stephen) does work for PSI.
nappy155
Member
I started working at psi about five years ago as the senior designer/photographer... i had never heard of pen turning...I soon became interested in it when I started seeing what people were creating...I turned a pen and was hooked...those who know me on Facebook know that have moved to kit less pens...yes on Facebook I often give sneak peeks of pens we are working on...I've never done it on this forum....*
Also those who know me that they can count on me to help out with a problem from psi that they can't resolve, I will always step in to help,even though it is not my job....I joined this forum to learn more and see what people were creating...I even debated telling you peeps where I worked...I know psi has gotten a bad rep over the years....I can dig it..I urge the owner to pay attention to this forum for the good and the bad...
As far as the Pen...we have no less than 4 Pens in the works at all times...this one has been on the block for about 2 years...the theme has always been steampunk and gun was added to capitalize on the bolt action nich....Google steampunk Gatling...see what comes up...to suggest that we need to attribute our design to the pen in question is in a word crazy talk (2 words)
As far as the pic...yes I was pissed that Allen released it...he does not work for psi but he is cool with one of the owners...and was given a early sample....it is not the final production piece...
I hope that gives full disclosure about myself and the pen....-
Also those who know me that they can count on me to help out with a problem from psi that they can't resolve, I will always step in to help,even though it is not my job....I joined this forum to learn more and see what people were creating...I even debated telling you peeps where I worked...I know psi has gotten a bad rep over the years....I can dig it..I urge the owner to pay attention to this forum for the good and the bad...
As far as the Pen...we have no less than 4 Pens in the works at all times...this one has been on the block for about 2 years...the theme has always been steampunk and gun was added to capitalize on the bolt action nich....Google steampunk Gatling...see what comes up...to suggest that we need to attribute our design to the pen in question is in a word crazy talk (2 words)
As far as the pic...yes I was pissed that Allen released it...he does not work for psi but he is cool with one of the owners...and was given a early sample....it is not the final production piece...
I hope that gives full disclosure about myself and the pen....-
nappy155
Member
I'm not sure what you mean arrangement...David has worked with us in the past... But he had no input whatsoever on this pen....I love his work btw
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nappy155
Member
feel free to hit me up if you have any more questions....i want to make it perfectly clear who i am and what i'm here for...but if the majority of people think i should be off the forum..i will delete my account...
what pisses my off the most are the assumptions being made about me and the company...
if you need to know more search my FB page Steven Humphrey
what pisses my off the most are the assumptions being made about me and the company...
if you need to know more search my FB page Steven Humphrey
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Brooks803
Member
I wasn't saying David had any input on this pen. I was assuming there was a collaboration with Alan since he had a preproduction piece.
Timebandit
Member
Theres no reason for any of that, you have as much of a right to be here as anyone else.
I do need to clear something up though, so that i dont get included in your assumptions list. I stopped posting because you answered my question. I was trying to clear up inconsistencies between yours and Alans stories and your edited post, which most of the people posting in this thread didnt get to see. Alan says one thing, you say another, you post one thing and then edit it and say the complete opposite. Im sure you can see where one might be curious as to what is going on when something like that happens. I might have used the word dishonest a little loosely, but only because of the edited post about Les's question. I was only trying to get to the bottom of it and im sure that i wasnt the only one that was a little confused. You answered my question, so i left it at that. As to what anyone else says, i have no part in that. Just wanted to clear the air about my comments and intensions.
Justin
nappy155
Member
its cool...i am sorry about the edit...i should have just re-posted...but Allen does not work at psi...i never even heard of him until about a month or two ago...he could be right next to me and i wouldn't know it...he is however cool with one of the owners....
Timebandit
Member
I understand. Either repost, or just put EDIT: BLAH BLAH BLAH at the bottom of your post. Thats what i do. I never delete anything. The main reason for this you just found put. Your edit would have been there at the bottom about your marketing guy, and i would have been on my way. It just threw up a red flag with 2 different stories and when you flip flopped. Thanks for clearing that up.
Gregf
Member
Regardless, I like the design and will order a few as soon as they are available.
workinforwood
Member
Ok, people are pm'ing me, please stop, theres no need. Obviously the idea came from a pen i built a few years ago. PSI liked the idea and picked it up from there. I am flattered they liked it and have taken it to a position where people that do not have the skill set to create their own can now still share in the idea. If PSI offered me a few kits, i would be appreciative and if not, i would still harbor no ill feelings or anger towards them. They are in business to make money, just like me, and honestly i feel really good seeing that they are making a production pen using a similar concept to mine that will live on for years to come and bring joy to many people around the globe. Thank you for showing your pen Mr Shaw, made my day!
tjseagrove
Member
Hey, I would like to see more of you here and sneak peaks into what is up and coming.
mjrbuzz
Member
this is my first post on this site, I think the kit will be amazing for me as a very green pen turner. (i have only made 2) but as soon as i am able to get one i will be all over this kit, I hope i do it justice to all the work from the origanl design to the people that work hard to make it avaible to people like me that just want to make really neat stuff.