Skye
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I knew there was something I didnt like about that joker!
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I knew there was something I didnt like about that joker!
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skibrow
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My opinion probably does not count for much being I hardly ever post here, but the reasoning behind that is strictly due to this exact topic. Why bother posting anything if you know beforehand that the same few members who think they are the powers to be are just going to bash you or try to make you look stupid. I came here to learn to make pens.Period. Not Friends not enemies not get an ulcer trying to learn something. I think that Jeffs decision should not be under fire here as most all of you posting do know this was not a spur of the moment decision. I think it was well thought out and I think Jeff knew beforehand that he would recieve much backlash from his decision from the same bunch of croonies that always seem to end up in the same fueds all the time. I think all the people here should start to realize the reasons why this forum is here and think about that for a minute. I never did like the idea that a certain "click" here thinks that they are so all holy and mighty that any newcomer to the site should bow and ask for acceptance and accept the ridiculing from them to try to gain this. I think the Bannishment should stand and that two or three others need to join that as well and this would be an extremely great site to visit and post in frequently. For the ones who feel this pertains to them, well, your probably the ones I am referring to then.
Mikey
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Possibly, but I also know the rules. I may expect to be given a pass or be re-admitted based on the circumstances. Thios would be my first go round though. he KNEW what would happen as it has not only happened to him here before, but also on several other boards. Perhaps he was provoked, but based on what I have seen him write here and elsewhere, he seems to do a darn good job of it himself.
Also, someone clue me in to the reasoning behind someone saying that we need to stop this thread and move on. There are how many forum areas here all with 15 or 20 posts per front page and the only place I see any of this talk going on is in the Casual Talk forum, which states this is the place to do this type of talking. Also should be noted that even in the casual talk forum, this is the only thread. To say that "this place" has become negative would be a severe overstatement as it is in one single thread not being carried over into other posts as far as I can see.
davidrei
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Crimeny!!!! Give Jeff a break, if you want to fight for Truth, Justice and the American Way, consider doing so with a topic of more import than pen making. I like Eagle, he's had nothing but kind words & encouragement for me, but he's a big boy and can defend himself, as well as accept consequences of his actions. The fairness of such consequences is an issue between him & Jeff, not the rest of us.
ilikewood
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I'm the one who says end it, so I don't mind my name being used.
Can anyone count how many people we have lost over these "casual conversations" that eventually turn insulting and end up offending more people than they help?
It's not worth it...not at all. Some want Eagle back....some don't. Is there any reason to debate it? It's Jeff's decision and he stated his reasons. Isn't that enough or do we have to listen to more people complaining about it?
This type of bickering is USELESS!! I say end it and lock it![B)]
Can anyone count how many people we have lost over these "casual conversations" that eventually turn insulting and end up offending more people than they help?
It's not worth it...not at all. Some want Eagle back....some don't. Is there any reason to debate it? It's Jeff's decision and he stated his reasons. Isn't that enough or do we have to listen to more people complaining about it?
This type of bickering is USELESS!! I say end it and lock it![B)]
Skye
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Mikey, I'm gonna badmouth you in another thread. Dagnabbit I'll do it!
Eh, some people want the thread to stop, some people want it to continue. To each their own. People have opinions on the matter and I think it's important and healthy to express them. So long as it's kept under control, like you, I don’t see the harm in it. Overmodded and oppressed forums are the ones that fizzle out.
Eh, some people want the thread to stop, some people want it to continue. To each their own. People have opinions on the matter and I think it's important and healthy to express them. So long as it's kept under control, like you, I don’t see the harm in it. Overmodded and oppressed forums are the ones that fizzle out.
whatwoodido
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Hey, I like both Wood (not leopardwood, allergies) and Ice Cream (mmm..Maui Brownie Madness...drool).
airrat
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My comment on this is we all need to sit back and reread a post before we submit it. We need to get along with each other or face the jury. I tend to avoid post by/about Eagle due to how they turn out and most of them ended the same way. He even talked once about how many sites he has been kicked off of.
Can we all try to take a step up and get along. Doc made a good post at the first of the year about getting along. Time to drop all the grudges against each other and try to appreciate what everyone has to offer.
Sorry to see them go. I appreciate Jeff keeping peace on the site.
Can we all try to take a step up and get along. Doc made a good post at the first of the year about getting along. Time to drop all the grudges against each other and try to appreciate what everyone has to offer.
Sorry to see them go. I appreciate Jeff keeping peace on the site.
Rifleman1776
Member
I'll ditto Johnny. Hang in there Jeff.
That said, I don't always agree with Jeff. We have politely, sometimes vigorously, disagreed at times. But he owns this forum and I support his decisions.
That said, I don't always agree with Jeff. We have politely, sometimes vigorously, disagreed at times. But he owns this forum and I support his decisions.
Rifleman1776
Member
Absolutely a bad idea, respectfully.
Jeff owns the forum. His decisions are not subject to a 'vote'. Debate maybe but in the end it will only be all talk.
Rifleman1776
Member
IMHO, Eagle's banishment was inevitable. That is the sad truth. He is extremely talented but also has an artists temperament that, it seems, he cannot control. I once considered him a friend. We did each other favors and talked on the phone. But, we had a falling out over an issue that doesn't need rehashing here. I wish him well but believe this forum is better off without him.
chitswood
Member
Its hard to be silent when you want friends to be allowed back on the IAP.
Jeff, your the head of this site, if we didn't have you...golly, we'd be the same as if a head didn't have its body - dead. We respect your opinion because we know you respect ours, as this thread has shown. Thanks Jeff.
I watched several people try to bait and troll Eagle for a while now and he has ignored them, I have a great respect for that, and do not blame him for defending himself from this recent bait/troll/personal attack, etc. I would not forfeit my dignity to be a member of any website; I, and many others, hope you return to the IAP, Eagle and cozzee[
]
("you're with friends now, dignity's got nothin' to do with it")
You contribute a lot, not just your work, but your personalities, and it would get rather boring here if that wasn't allowed.[] Just as it's no fun to lose a part of your body[xx(]
Jeff, your the head of this site, if we didn't have you...golly, we'd be the same as if a head didn't have its body - dead. We respect your opinion because we know you respect ours, as this thread has shown. Thanks Jeff.
I watched several people try to bait and troll Eagle for a while now and he has ignored them, I have a great respect for that, and do not blame him for defending himself from this recent bait/troll/personal attack, etc. I would not forfeit my dignity to be a member of any website; I, and many others, hope you return to the IAP, Eagle and cozzee[
] ("you're with friends now, dignity's got nothin' to do with it")
You contribute a lot, not just your work, but your personalities, and it would get rather boring here if that wasn't allowed.[
] Just as it's no fun to lose a part of your body[xx(]Penmonkey
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It's Cozee.[]
]Roy99664
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Any person with a computer and an internet connection, member or not, can view the forum, but that capability was also taken away from Eagle. He should at least be allowed to peruse the website like anyone else.
Penmonkey
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He can. He sent me an email after he was banned about one of my pens.
johnnycnc
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Woodlvr
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Good one, John.[]
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NavyDiver
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Wow, I had no idea when I posted yesterday evening how volatile/passionate this discussion would become. I get back on line 24 hours later and the thread has grown to seven pages. Having served in the military for 20 years now (and counting) and having had command of two different organizations, I have learned a lot about leadership. One thing that really stands out is the phrase "You can delegate responsiblity, but not accountability." If you think about it, Jeff delegates the responsibility of managing the forum discussions to his moderators, who, IMHO do a fantastic job. At the same time, Jeff, as "CO" is ultimately accountable for everything that occurs on the forum. As the "CO", he has the final say on all decisions and we should respect that without nit-picking the ones we don't agree with. I am relatively new here and appreciate the fact that Eagle reached out to me and my sons so we could improve in this craft. This included giving each of us one of his phenominal cross blanks so we could try them and show that even a "novice" turner could produce a fantastic pen with the right materials. That being said, I fully support Jeff in his decision to do what he feels is best for the overall forum. If at some time in the future, Jeff decides to allow Eagle another opportunity to participate, he will again have my full support. Leadership is never easy, and I believe that Jeff is doing a superb job keeping us on track and away from the shoals.
Jim Boyd
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Wow, I've been gone for a while but see some things never change[] But I've learned this place is tame compared to the gun forums I've been visiting[] Instead of asking folks to take a break and have some ice cream they would be shoving it down your throat with a jagged shovel. Kinda refreshing to see a civilized discussion like this[]
] But I've learned this place is tame compared to the gun forums I've been visiting[] Instead of asking folks to take a break and have some ice cream they would be shoving it down your throat with a jagged shovel. Kinda refreshing to see a civilized discussion like this[]
Randy_
Member
Jeff: You won't ever be able to satisfy everyone. Do what you think is best for IAP and you will have my support regardless of whether or not I agree with a specific decision!!
Penmonkey
Member
Originally posted by Jim Boyd
<br />Wow, I've been gone for a while but see some things never change[
I know what you mean. I stopped going to Glock Talk because of that. Someone would disagreed with everything and anything (don't even talk about the 45 ACP being better than a 9MM)[xx(].
Let's be nice.[
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Flogging A Dead Horse
Ron in Drums PA
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Originally posted by Jim Boyd
<br /> Kinda refreshing to see a civilized discussion like this[
You know it's funny, I thought this discussion was pretty civil.
The only people beating a dead horse are the one's posting those old pictures we've seen a million times.
Enjoy
jjenk02
Member
Jeff, I would like to see Eagle back. That being said, after reading your post as to what your agreement was, with Eagle, I now understand why you made your decision and support it. My hope is that someday you will reconsider and give him a third/fourth chance.
Good night,
PS: I don't want any of my donations back and I do plan on giving more as I can................
Good night,
PS: I don't want any of my donations back and I do plan on giving more as I can................
rtjw
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hey Ron, I saw an article about that picture the other day. They cant find out why he was sitting on the horse. Couple of reasons they think:
1. He was posing for the picture
2. He was making a statement about the sanitation
3. There used to be a law that you could not leave a dead animal in the streets so you had to wait until someone came along and helped you get rid of it.
1. He was posing for the picture
2. He was making a statement about the sanitation
3. There used to be a law that you could not leave a dead animal in the streets so you had to wait until someone came along and helped you get rid of it.
woodpens
Member
I support Jeff's decision. You cannot expect anybody to follow rules if they are not enforced. You can only give someone so many chances.
turned_for_good
Member
For all those who can't live or even be the least bit creative without Eagles' input, be patient, I'm sure he will make an apperance somewhere else before you know it.
larrystephens
Member
As a new member to this forum, I have no opinion about the controversy, however, I have spent the last 20 years communicating via email and forums and realize that tempers can flare easily, and be calmed just as easily with a telephone call and verbal negotiation. All the posturing and hurtful statements can be easily washed away with a friendly give and take conversation. I hope this helps!
Radman
Member
Jeff wrote:
I received a number of emails from him after the incident. He referred to me as "having no credibility", "making boneheaded decisions", "not having the guts" to deal with him, and "not being able to admit a mistake." I don't have the inclination to deal with someone who has zero respect for other people.
After reading that, I don't see how you can let him back in and keep your own respect at the same time.
I received a number of emails from him after the incident. He referred to me as "having no credibility", "making boneheaded decisions", "not having the guts" to deal with him, and "not being able to admit a mistake." I don't have the inclination to deal with someone who has zero respect for other people.
After reading that, I don't see how you can let him back in and keep your own respect at the same time.
Penmonkey
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You are not the only one to get the emails Tom.[V]
DocStram
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I was compared with those who sat back and watched while Nazis exterminated Jews. [?]
Dario
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Travis and Al...what is this about? I am confused. [?][?][?]
Penmonkey
Member
Eagle is harassing me.
Just some of the things he said:
"Along with being forgetful you also aren't bright or observant".
"Then again that is what I would expect from a minion of Johnnies."
Just some of the things he said:
"Along with being forgetful you also aren't bright or observant".
"Then again that is what I would expect from a minion of Johnnies."
Dario
Member
So sorry to hear that (for you and him). [V]
Skye
Member
There's another email offender for you to be sorry for too, Dario. I wont name names, but let's just say it's not a big secret. Seeing how he 'demanded' I not directly address him on this forum, I'll leave it at that. I dont want to get sued or anything.
wdcav1952
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is starting to degenerate into a bitch session. We tried having officers and a board of directors here some time back, and the idea crashed and burned. At that time Jeff took back over as a benevolent dictator. It is his forum to run as he sees fit.
The purpose of this thread was to express your opinion as to the situation involving Eagle, and by extension, Cozee. I think using this thread to quote private emails not sent by the pm function is inappropriate. I also think using it to take swings at those you do not like is also appropriate.
I would like to see Eagle back, as I stated. That is my opinion only, all decisions are left up to Jeff.
Try some civility, it is a pretty neat concept.
The purpose of this thread was to express your opinion as to the situation involving Eagle, and by extension, Cozee. I think using this thread to quote private emails not sent by the pm function is inappropriate. I also think using it to take swings at those you do not like is also appropriate.
I would like to see Eagle back, as I stated. That is my opinion only, all decisions are left up to Jeff.
Try some civility, it is a pretty neat concept.
dfurlano
Member
Who is not civil? Seems to me to be just a conversation.
DocStram
Member
William ...... I think this is a rather unusual situation in that at least two members, that I know of, are receiving unsolicited emails from a person who is banned from IAP and thus, unable to send pm's. I agree wholeheartedly that civility should be maintained from all sides, including those sending pm's and emails. As always, I respect your opinion and value your friendship. I, like many others, look forward to this issue being put to rest.
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Ok, Skye. Let's give it a go. Here is my nastygram...and your response.
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Using the email system at penturners.org,You sent the following email to: Skye
Skye - Do NOT address me on or off the forum from this point on. The site is for addressing issues, not your thoughts or opinions of my posts. Lou
Here is his reply:
The four asterisks which I have highlighted in red (twice) are "auto-changed" by the site software to disallow the common term for oats that have already been processed through a horse.
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