Anybody get the email from DAYACOM?

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How cool is that. I did not see any prices on the web site or regards to minimum orders.
So why are these companies dumping the distribution chain?
They have some nice new styles as well.
 
500 kits should not be a problem. No rush, but let's look this over carefully. Their products have always been good quality.
 
It is going to depend on overall savings. I am trying to get a contact now for a price quote on a couple of high end kits and also see if the box can be put in one of our containers from our hardware manufacturers. Would be a couple months down the road. If savings is minimal then I say continue with CSUSA as their customer service is top notch. But if we are talking about a 75% savings then this could be good. The bigger picture problem is the dollar is sliding on the global market, thus the constant price increases from overseas. You also have to consider the price of metals (raw steel, brass, copper, aluminum) have been climbing on the global market due to China buying a good chunk of the global supply.
 
I e-mailed them for price I need 1,000 statemans for next year. I will see what the Pricing will be. I know how our suppliers treat us. Will we have the same level of service from the manufactor? Some new pens there not available to us. So want happens to our suppliers when the manufactors begin selling direct? Daycom also supplies Bereahardwood and PSI.
 
I assume they will not do a "mix-n-match" like CSUSA, but you never know without asking.

I could see keeping a "rolling" inventory request, where we input into an on-line database, how much we want of a given product and when the database reaches the minimum, the order is ready to be placed... members are e-mailed to pay into the appropriate account... when everyone has paid, the order is placed.

The database would need to allow people to edit/cancel their request(s) and generate real-time totals so members can monitor the progress and decide if they want to remain on the list. If the savings are worth the effort, it could have some possibilities.

Any of you database programmer types willing to work on an open source project (assuming buying direct as a group gains any traction?) I can assist in the design and work with the supplier. Who knows, this might even evolve into a Group Buy management tool for all group purchases.

Just thinking out loud...

Dave
 
To me, it fits with Ed's question about blanks growing on trees yesterday http://www.penturners.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30945.
I didn't post a reply 'cause I thought it was too obvious but my answer was going to be that the 'net
makes it easier because it puts buyers and sellers in touch with one another no matter where they're physically located. The supply chain is different today. The business model has changed.
This is partly why American manufacturers need to get in the game -- Americans aren't the only buyers in the market.
 
Thats a good opportunity for us!! Competition is always good and should give us better pricing. Never liked that we were depending on one sole supplier for certain kits. I think that many of the pen kits are way overpriced anyways. Look forward to see the first group buy, they have some nice new pens on their site (like the variation of the Sierra, the elegant Beauty).
 
I just wanted to add that originally I thought the information was specifically for me. The link was in a reply to an inquiry I made about a month ago. When I saw that they were putting an ad in the AAW Journal I felt the cat was out of the bag and ready for human consumption (you figure it out).

Of course, the killer question is going to be the shipping costs.
 
I just read the ad going into the Journal. The only interesting thing about it is the "For wholesalers only" verbage. I could run this as a group buy through Turncrafts. I get some stock, you get the group buy prices.

We'll see.....
 
Actually shipping is no big deal if you bring in a large order via container. But you are talking about a major order ($20K minimum and most likely $40-$50K)If your shipping is $2500 for the container, and you have 75000 items in the container, then your shipping cost per item is .033. Even better is if you can share a container with another local importer!
 
I found some prices (at least for now) on the SEDONA Type Fountain/Rollerball pen (131-6039). I have no idea if they are accurate or not. All prices are per and in US dollars. They are listed below. We could have something here!!:D:D:D
Chrome Rollerball $4.25
Chrome Fountain Pen $4.50
24K Rollerball $4.35
24K Fountain Pen $4.65
Black Titanium Rollerball $5.00
Black Titanium Fountain Pen $5.25
 
Okay, enough from me already! [:I] If you look at a lot of their medium to lower-end models it will list platings and prices. Maybe someone would like to compile all the ones that are on this site? :::hint, hint:::[:p]
 
Originally posted by pianomanpj

I found some prices (at least for now) on the SEDONA Type Fountain/Rollerball pen (131-6039). I have no idea if they are accurate or not. All prices are per and in US dollars. They are listed below. We could have something here!!:D:D:D
Chrome Rollerball $4.25Chrome Fountain Pen $4.50
24K Rollerball $4.35
24K Fountain Pen $4.65
Black Titanium Rollerball $5.00
Black Titanium Fountain Pen $5.25
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Food for thought. Why is the price variance so reasonable on the two types of plating? If titanium is so much more superior than gold, why is there such a small price gap from DAYCOM? I do not see this analogy with CSUSA nor BB's pricing. Has the wool been pulled over the penmakers' eyes long enough as I've tried to mount my arguement for so long?

Without further highjacking this thread, I invite a discussion based on "reason" from any and all members. Spit in my face off-line if you can muster up an arguement. "I won't take this supplier cr*p any more":([8]

-Peter-:)
 
Dave,
If you come up with a program that can run a bulk buy. Let me know I will buy a copy to baby set my niece and nephew.:)
seriously I would try something like this on something limited until the bugs get worked out.
The way I picture this would be extremely confusing. Example:
I want to order 5 different pen kits. Four of them are popular so they reach there limit and are ordered at various but acceptable time limits. but Item 5 is not so popular and may be weeks or even months in reaching a limit. I will have to keep my funds available for this period of time. With my experience with the confusion that is involved in normal group buys. this could get truly unimaginable.

Originally posted by SuperDave

I could see keeping a "rolling" inventory request, where we input into an on-line database, how much we want of a given product and when the database reaches the minimum, the order is ready to be placed... members are e-mailed to pay into the appropriate account... when everyone has paid, the order is placed.

The database would need to allow people to edit/cancel their request(s) and generate real-time totals so members can monitor the progress and decide if they want to remain on the list. If the savings are worth the effort, it could have some possibilities.

Any of you database programmer types willing to work on an open source project (assuming buying direct as a group gains any traction?) I can assist in the design and work with the supplier. Who knows, this might even evolve into a Group Buy management tool for all group purchases.

Dave
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It looks like only about a quarter of their pen kits currently have pricing. As I mentioned earlier, I do have an email to dayacom requesting the full price list, shipping info ( I do have a shipping company in China that I've worked with before) and if we can mix and match the kits.

This is the pricing so far (sorry for things not lining up):

Part Number Description Finish Price
131-6043/CR PK Purse mini Purse Pen Chrome $2.50
131-6043/24K PK Purse mini Purse Pen 24K Gold $2.55
131-6040/CR/R Churchill RB Chrome $3.95
131-6040/CR/F Churchill FP Chrome $4.25
131-6040/24K/R Churchill RB 24K Gold $4.05
131-6040/24K/F Churchill FP 24K Gold $4.15
131-6040/BlkTi/R Churchill RB Black Ti $4.50
131-6040/BlkTi/F Churchill FP Black Ti $4.60
131-6051 Teacher's Pen 24K $1.80
131-6048/CR 2-Way & Combo Pen Chrome $2.45
131-6048/24K 2-Way & Combo Pen 24K Gold $2.60
131-6039/CR/R Sedona RB Chrome $4.25
131-6039/CR/F Sedona FP Chrome $4.50
131-6039/24K/R Sedona RB 24K Gold $4.35
131-6039/24K/F Sedona FP 24K Gold $4.65
131-6039/BT/R Sedona RB Black Ti $5.00
131-6039/BT/F Sedona FP Black Ti $5.25
131-6044/CR Elegant Americana BP Chrome $1.80
131-6044/24K Elegant Americana BP 24K Gold $1.90
131-6047/CR PK-Long Pen Chrome $1.30
131-6047/24K PK-Long Pen 24K Gold $1.35
131-6046/CR Convertible Pen/Pencil Chrome $3.50
131-6046/24K Convertible Pen/Pencil 24K Gold $3.60
131-6045/CR 7mm Streamline BP Chrome $1.30
131-6045/24K 7mm Streamline BP 24K Gold $1.35
131-6042/CR/R Cigar Americana Ink Ball Chrome $3.00
131-6042/CR/F Cigar Americana FP Chrome $3.60
131-6042/24K/R Cigar Americana Ink Ball 24K Gold $3.25
131-6042/24K/F Cigar Americana FP 24K Gold $3.70
131-6042/BT/R Cigar Americana Ink Ball Black Ti $3.80
131-6042/BT/F Cigar Americana FP Black Ti $4.40
131-6041/CR/R Flat Top Americana RB Chrome $2.70
131-6041/CR/F Flat Top Americana FP Chrome $2.90
131-6041/24K/R Flat Top Americana RB 24K Gold $2.70
131-6041/24K/F Flat Top Americana FP 24K Gold $2.90
131-6041/BT/R Flat Top Americana RB Black Ti $2.85
131-6041/BT/F Flat Top Americana FP Black Ti $3.10
131-6038/CR Sierra BP Chrome $2.70
131-6038/24K Sierra BP 24K Gold $2.80
131-6038/BT Sierra BP Black Ti $3.25
 
If they can make a profit at these prices I wonder what CSUSA has been paying for large orders, assuming there must be discounts the more one orders.

I think this is a good thing even if 'we' don't do bulk orders with them because others will get in the business and we should see prices being reduced, by the looks of it, drastically.

I saw a kit the other day for over $100.
 
Originally posted by PenTurnerJohn

Joe,
If the quality is good I would be interested in joining the Group Buy.
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OK! Let's wait till we get more info. The one thing that this company has going for it is that the basic quality is a known factor. We've used most of these kits for years and know what to expect.
 
Realize that the Canadians add a new dimension to your shipping horrors, which will get worse as you do further investigation. (Just a warning).
 
Originally posted by ed4copies

Realize that the Canadians add a new dimension to your shipping horrors, which will get worse as you do further investigation. (Just a warning).
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Since I've been using Endicia for my shipping needs, international shipping is no longer a nightmare. I just fill in the address and what I'm shipping and Endicia generates the label, postage and customs form on one label in about 5 seconds.
 
Originally posted by Daniel

Dave,
...I would try something like this on something limited until the bugs get worked out.
The way I picture this would be extremely confusing. Example:

I want to order 5 different pen kits. Four of them are popular so they reach there limit and are ordered at various but acceptable time limits. but Item 5 is not so popular and may be weeks or even months in reaching a limit. I will have to keep my funds available for this period of time. With my experience with the confusion that is involved in normal group buys. this could get truly unimaginable.

Originally posted by SuperDave
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Obviously the design process needs to address the most critical components of the program. No program will be able to offer all things to all people. Unpopular kits would not fit this program and would, in most cases, be better served if purchased through traditional channels. This program is best served with the more popular items, or new item launches where inventory levels normally ramp up in a reasonable time frame.

The ability to change your orders in real-time on-line and to check the rolling inventory, allows you to maintain your commitment only as long as it meets your current circumstances. If I were in a pinch for specific kits and could not afford to wait, I would buy from traditional sources.

If I could not reserve the funds for buying the most popular kits (or new kits) at a deep discount, then I should not place the order. Bottom line is, I would have spent more money through traditional channels, so if I have the funds to buy the kits and I am not under time constraints, I order, wait and save.

We could also do an escrow account where funds are pre-paid and held pending order processing. The escrow account would secure the funds and return them if the orders were canceled.

In any event, a lot has to happen before any of us venture down this road. Any suggestions or recommendations need to be reserved for if and when we find out all the salient facts necessary to facilitate direct purchasing as a group, such as cost justification.

Let's see what happens over the next few weeks... who knows, we might see some significant price reductions in the traditional channels once they see their market share possibly threatened.
 
Originally posted by ed4copies

Realize that the Canadians add a new dimension to your shipping horrors, which will get worse as you do further investigation. (Just a warning).
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Ed (and other skeptics) this is simply not correct. George (TXDURANGO) proved this with a recent shipment that he made to me from Texas. A <2 lb. package shipped from Texas to Toronto, Canada was a mere $6.67 (first class mail). I just want to emphasize that this fallacy, that it's a 'nightmare'to ship to Canada just isn't correct. Once again, as Canucks, we're appreciative whenever we're included with the US driven GROUP BUYS. No greater effort to make a shipment to Canada as opposed to shipping to California.

-Peter-:)
 
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