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I'm curious.

Are you going to upgrade to Windows Vista?

Why, or Why not?


Please; No Microsoft bashing.

I would just simply like to know your reasoning for upgrading or not.

I was a Vista beta tester and I'm really on the fence as to this upgrade.

The interface is slick and pretty but it takes a lot of resources to run it. I've been with XP since it's inception and I'm comfortable with it.
 
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Mudder,

You nailed it... available resources is the key whether one should upgrade or not.

For me, I will wait and see. Don't want to be the one to find all the (missed) bugs [;)]
 
Dario

I will upgrade in the near future. I want the bugs to be found out first by everyone else before I even put it on my system. I already did an analysis on the system and since it is new no additional hardware is necessary. From having the software background I know at least the first 6 months bugs will be found. I big concern is in security.
 
I'll upgrade when I get a new machine. The advantages, and there are many, aren't valuable enough to me at this point to justify the fact that MS has overpriced it.
 
I've read that MicroSoft has put in a lot of "Big Brother" type security measures in it, and that it checks 30 times a second to see if anything has been tampered with or is not original software. It will delete that software from the computer or will lock up the operating system if anything changes on the setup like changing out a sound card. You might then have to wait for a patch to be created by them or pay for a reinstall. In my opinion, that crosses the line to trying to be overprotective and will cause them to lose huge market share. I'll be holding off until these issues are resolved.
 
I'm with Doc, I won't be upgrading, if I do it will be Linux. XP Pro works fine for me. Unless someone comes out with a piece of software that will only run on Vista and I can't live without it, maybe, just maybe. Or, maybe, on a new machine. Or, maybe I'll reinstall XP PRO. But my machine is less than 2 years old, no reason to upgrade for a while.
 
I am really thinking about Linux myself. I have been playing around with a Knoppix Live DVD for a while and like it. I probably would have switched already if I could get my wireless card to work under it. It's a big step, because I am somewhat of a Windows geek, but am clueless when it comes to Linux.
 
I won't be upgrading soon but eventually will have to as XP will soon go unsupported like all the the Windows programs (OSs included). Unless you are a geek and can code you will not have a choice. That is just the way of computing. Computers and their software are made obsolete before they can live out their mechanical life.

They are one of the few tools we use in our shops that can't be rebuilt, restored and respected for long life.

That being said, my main reason for not upgrading is that I neither need nor want all the fancy bells and whistles of upgraded programs. I like utilitarian, bullet-proof programs that I understand how to use.
 
Our old computer just died, so we bought a new one last week. It has vista. So far, the only problem is that some of my old software won't run, so I'll have to upgrade to the latest and greatest... It seems fairly similar to windows xp as far as function, but we've been too busy to really use it very much. I'm still trying to figure out some things--like how to set my default page in IE right now.
 
Hi,

For your info, XP sp3 is due to be release in 2008 so XP will be supported for at leat 2 more years and probably more. If you plan on upgrading make sure you run the vista upgrede advisor first,
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx
It's free and it's from microsoft. It will tell you what will and won't work after the upgrade.
I work in IT department and i wont be upgrading before Vista SP1 is available, somewhere next year. I don't see any advantage (neither the 23 IT specialist that work me) to pay for an upgrade.
If you absolutely wnat to, stay away from Vista home regular, there is no difference with Xp. Vista premium as a minimum, because of the Aero interface (256 meg videocard reqired).
Many anti virus software won't work, Nero version 7 and below might not work correctly and many many more software wont work at all.
So remember, "If it aint broken, don't fix it"[8D]

Alfred
 
Originally posted by DocRon
<br />Don't buy version 1.0 of ANYTHING. Just MHO.
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Let's see -
Windows 3.x (believe there existed a version 1 and 2, but know nothing about them)
Windows 95/98 (ie version 4)
Windows 2000 (version 5)
Windows XP (version 6)
Windows Vista (version 7)

It'll get fixed sometime.

All of the windows (including Apple) are based on a Xerox machine back in the 70's IIRC.
 
Originally posted by baldysm
<br />
Originally posted by DocRon
<br />Don't buy version 1.0 of ANYTHING. Just MHO.
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Let's see -
Windows 3.x (believe there existed a version 1 and 2, but know nothing about them)
Windows 95/98 (ie version 4)
Windows 2000 (version 5)
(Windows XP (version 6)
Windows Vista (version 7)

It'll get fixed sometime.

All of the windows (including Apple) are based on a Xerox machine back in the 70's IIRC.
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The first one was called Windows (1985)
Windows 2
Windows 286
Windows 386
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows NT 3.1
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 2000
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003

So Vista is the 15th version of Windows to come out.

Just in case someone wanted to know


BTW - I installed Office 2007. It's doesn't seem any better than Office 2003, but it sure is prettier.
 
I have a relatively new computer(about 15 months old) running XP that I'm fairly comfortable with... from what I read about Vista, there are some hardware upgrades that would have to be installed, plus additional ROM ( I think ROM..) new color graphic cards, video cards, and such before some of the older machines will run on Vista.. I don't have any plans to upgrade anytime soon.
 
Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA

The first one was called Windows (1985)
Windows 2
Windows 286
Windows 386
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows NT 3.1
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 2000
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003

So Vista is the 15th version of Windows to come out.
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Don't want to wander too far off course, but I would disagree with Vista being the 15th version. 98 is an patched version of 95 essentially. ME is 98 with more bugs added. NT and server are the business oriented version of windows, and are really a separate development track.

If you look at the version of windows, even XP is only version 5.1. Go to c:\windows\system32 and right click on win.com. Select properties and then the version tab. On mine, it's 5.1.2600.0. So Vista would be 5.2 or 6, I'm thinking 6, but I'm not sure.

Before I got into pens, I got my MCSE in NT and also in 2000. Took a couple tests in the 2003 track but was really moving on to pen turning. Throw in a ton of Cisco tests in there as well, couple Novell and IBM AIX early in my career. From 1999 to about 2004, my main job was Cisco networking, security, and VoIP.
 
I'll wait till 2014 when MS drop support on XP[:p]...took awhile to upgrade to XP after 98..[:D]...can't afford to buy software upgrades let alone build a 64 or 128 bit computer...[;)]...just upgraded computer with 3 300gig new harddrives for raid setup...spending too much money on penturning...[8)]
 
Originally posted by panini
<br />I'll wait till 2014 when MS drop support on XP[:p]...took awhile to upgrade to XP after 98..[:D]...can't afford to buy software upgrades let alone build a 64 or 128 bit computer...[;)]...just upgraded computer with 3 300gig new harddrives for raid setup...spending too much money on penturning...[8)]
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Here you go Mark
http://search.ebay.com/windows-286_W0QQfclZ4QQfnuZ1QQfsopZ1QQxpufuZx
 
Right now the cons outweigh the pros for me. Very hardware intensive, lack of drivers, nothing that I can't already get with XP (except DirectX 10, which isn't being used by gamers yet).

I will wait until there are some applications out there that I want/need that won't run on XP.
 
I just got new computers in Dec wifes has XP Pro and I have XP Media we just up graded from ME (that was junk) so I have no desire to upgrade will wait untill the next supper dupper overprice junk comes out. Like some of you I think Microsoft is taking to much control of the system if you cant replace a componet without violiating something. [V]
 
Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA
<br />
Originally posted by baldysm
<br />
Originally posted by DocRon
<br />Don't buy version 1.0 of ANYTHING. Just MHO.
Click to expand...

Let's see -
Windows 3.x (believe there existed a version 1 and 2, but know nothing about them)
Windows 95/98 (ie version 4)
Windows 2000 (version 5)
(Windows XP (version 6)
Windows Vista (version 7)

It'll get fixed sometime.

All of the windows (including Apple) are based on a Xerox machine back in the 70's IIRC.
Click to expand...

The first one was called Windows (1985)
Windows 2
Windows 286
Windows 386
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows NT 3.1
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 2000
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003

So Vista is the 15th version of Windows to come out.

Just in case someone wanted to know


BTW - I installed Office 2007. It's doesn't seem any better than Office 2003, but it sure is prettier.
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There was a 3.11 in there. That's where I started.
 
Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA
<br />The first one was called Windows (1985)
Windows 2
Windows 286
Windows 386
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows NT 3.1
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 2000
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
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To add a couple more

Windows 3.11 (windows for workgroups)
Windows 98 SE
Windows Media Center Edition
Embedded Windows (for PDA's)also known as Windows CE
Backoffice Server

Lets not forget NT4 came as a server and a workstation.
Windows 2000 came as workstation, server, and advanced server.
Windows Xp has a home and professional edition

Seems I forgot a few also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

and here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows

Please don't forget that Microsoft was involved with IBM at one time and worked on the early releases of OS/2
 
Originally posted by Chuck Key
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Originally posted by Rifleman1776

There was a 3.11 in there. That's where I started.
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I started on a TI-99 4a. Then on to CP/M, several versions of DOS, OS/2 then Winders.

Chuckie
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I started in school on a PDP-8 that we rented time on from the local college. We graduated to (trash-80's) TRS-80 in my senior year and when I got out active duty in the service and transferred into the reserves I spent $2800.00 on an IBM PC-XT S She ran a blazing fast 4.77 megahertz, had and unheard of 640k of memory and more hard disk space that anyone would ever need, a whopping 20 Megabytes! This machine listed for close to 8 grand when it was introduced but my company commander worked for IBM as a middle manager and was able to get me one for the employee discount. Not to mention they had already introduced the `286. Man I thought I was "Da Bomb"

To contrast that, I replaced my system a few months ago with an HP that has a dual core 2.8 gig processor, 2 gig of memory, a 300 gig hard drive, lite scribe dvd burner and a 20" Viewsonic flatpanel and I paid less than half of what I paid in 1986.
 
Originally posted by Mudder
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I started in school on a PDP-8 that we rented time on from the local college. We graduated to (trash-80's) TRS-80 in my senior year and when I got out active duty in the service and transferred into the reserves I spent $2800.00 on an IBM PC-XT S She ran a blazing fast 4.77 megahertz, had and unheard of 640k of memory and more hard disk space that anyone would ever need, a whopping 20 Megabytes! This machine listed for close to 8 grand when it was introduced but my company commander worked for IBM as a middle manager and was able to get me one for the employee discount. Not to mention they had already introduced the `286. Man I thought I was "Da Bomb"

To contrast that, I replaced my system a few months ago with an HP that has a dual core 2.8 gig processor, 2 gig of memory, a 300 gig hard drive, lite scribe dvd burner and a 20" Viewsonic flatpanel and I paid less than half of what I paid in 1986.
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I also started on a TRS-80 with a cassette tape to store data and programs. it used to take 20+ minutes for a 8k program to load.

I later moved up to a IBM 8086 with a single sided 5-1/4 floppy drive. A few months later I purchased a 10 meg harddrive. Everybody thought I was nuts to buy such a big drive. At the time it was blazing fast!

In December I purchased a Quad Core 2.66GHz system with two 500GB SATA drives (RAID).

I see 1TB drives are now available, it won't be long before 1PB drives are out.

The one thing I've noticed is that silly little 10meg hard drive held about as much programs and data as the 250GB in my old system. I guess this is what they call progress.
 
I make a point to never run a new Microsoft operating system until at least 1 year has passed since the new OS was released. By then there is usually enough bug fixes out there that it just doesn't matter. Although, I plan on sticking to XP as long as possible. XP is the best MS operating system since Windows 98 SE, and I used that up until 3 years ago.

Wade
 
Wow, I haven't heard the term "Trash-80" in a long time!! I used one of those too! I also did some work on some CP/M based machines (that too I hadn't heard of for a long time either! H-89s if your wondering) [:p]

Some friends of mine are having problems with their Vista....seems many programs won't operate with it. I will wait as long as possible myself to upgrade. We home school our children and most of their curriculum is PC based....I can't risk messing up the year with programs that won't run on Vista.
 
I stated on a Lisa (the predessor to the Mac). I believe that you need to put the Mac OS in front of the Windows versions. I believe you would need to put XEROX in front of Mac. XEROX really messed up when they allowed Mac and Windows to be created using their User Interface.
 
H89, remember it well! Did you build it from the kit or get it complete?

My dad used to work for a defense contractor. In an effort to train thier employees, you went through a course in electronics IIRC, and after passing the test at the end of the module, you got the next part of the kit.

I spent many hours on the kitchen table with a soldering iron in hand. Dad used it until about 8 years ago, when he decided it was time to upgrade.

We used both CP/M and HDOS.
 
Hey Scott....many hours at the kitchen table with the soldering iron myself! I was in my teens then, but I was totally infatuated with then even then.[:D]
 
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I too will stick with XP. I am learning Linux and I am reasonably sure that I will be using various flavors of Linux. I do have to support Windows machines at work so I will have to know something about them so I will need to have at least one with Vista on it to learn the ins and outs. I will say that MS has a decent program for non-profits which is why my employer will stick with them.
It was about a year ago that I was able to talk them into purchasing 10 used computers (1.8 GHz P4's...screamin') I was able to get rid of the 133's and 166's that were still in use.
Vista? whew. I'm a decade from having machines that will run Vista.
Sigh...
 
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