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Why is ca finish such a pain in the ***! :D

Even after you get it down good it is a mess! [:0]

Get a good finish take the bushings off and sometimes it chips.:(

Ca build up on the bushings [V]

I love air brushing lacquer :), BUT up to a week to cure! [V]
 
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If this helps, I remove my bushings and remount them withmy pen mill sleeves. once the CA finish is applied and sanded out, I carefully hand mill back down to wood and remove the sleeves.

I have also had mych better luck hand sanding thru MM. You can see the one spot that yon need to smooth out and not take off too much and burn thru.
 
Use the point of a skew, a parting tool, or exacto knife to score a line around the bushings before taking the blanks off the lathe.

Now if only there was a bottle that didn't leak aroud the threads [:(!]
 
I wax my bushings real good and regularly to prevent them from adhering to the barrels.
It helps greatly. When I'm ready to take things off, if the bushing seems stuck to the barrel, I twist slightly while separating them. No consequential chips yet since I've done started waxing as described.
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Since I quit applying CA straight out of the bottle directly onto the blanks all the problems I used to have with sticking bushings has gone away...

I apply all the coats with the lathe off and rub it with the grain.... seems hardly any CA at all makes it to the bushings... and what little does pops right off...
 
I use the method of putting a few drops of CA on a folded paper towel, applying to blanks with lathe turning at about 800RPM and have had no problems with the bushing sticking.
 
I use delrin rods to create an extra set of bushings to use once I get to the step of applying CA glue. Fangar gave me this idea with a post sometime this past summer or fall. I ordered the stuff in 2 4 foot lengths - sold half to another person on the IAP, and I still have plenty left. The trick is - as soon as you get the new bushings, you create a duplicate set from the delrin. CA Glue doesn't adhere to delrin - so no problems!

I use my bigger Jet lathe to turn the blanks and sand, and I use my Jet mini VS to do the finishing.

Best,
Roger Garrett
 
I apply CA with pads I get from the beauty supply store. Like James, I turn my lathe to a slower speed to apply, don't have any problem with bushings getting stuck.

I do want to ask something tho, why do you guys sand after applying CA? I sand my wood to the smoothness I want, then slowing the lathe down I apply 5 coats of thin CA waiting until it dries in between coats. I then apply 3 coats of CA/BLO allowing dry time between coats. Then I shine up with Mylands at max speed. Is this an good recipe or am I wasting my time?
 
Let see some pics of your pens are they nice and smooth?

I do want to ask something tho, why do you guys sand after applying CA? I sand my wood to the smoothness I want, then slowing the lathe down I apply 5 coats of thin CA waiting until it dries in between coats. I then apply 3 coats of CA/BLO allowing dry time between coats. Then I shine up with Mylands at max speed. Is this an good recipe or am I wasting my time?
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I love the CA finish but..................
I have two rosewood burl Jr Gents I have been trying to put a CA finish on now for the past 2 months. It consistently chips at the edge. I've tried scoring the edge, hand trimming with the barrel trimmer etc, everything except delrin bushings (don't have any)and still get chipping.
This past weekend I had to make a bacote cigar for an order. Before Christmas, I made several with no problems. Now I got the same chipping on the bacote. The only difference between now and before Christmas it is colder (upper 40's to 50's vs 65+) and damper in the shop.
I've gone so far as to let the CA cure 20+ minutes before removing from the bushings and it doesn't matter.
I don't think the the delrin bushings will help as I have been successful at removing the barrel from the bushing with out the chipping, but there is a little overhang of CA past the end. It's removing this edge when I get the chipping. Like I said earlier, I've tried hand trimming with the barrel trimmer and hand sanding with the same results.
Any suggestions?????????
 
Mannie, maybe your CA is old or maybe the wood is oily? It will be interesting to see what others say and if you can solve the problem.
 
Originally posted by wudnhed
<br />Mannie, maybe your CA is old or maybe the wood is oily? It will be interesting to see what others say and if you can solve the problem.
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Becca, The CA is fresh, that's the first thing I changed. I thought about the wood being oily, but since the bocote didn't give me any problems earlier, I doubt that would be the it.
 
Originally posted by Monty
<br />...Before Christmas, I made several with no problems. Now I got the same chipping on the bacote. The only difference between now and before Christmas it is colder (upper 40's to 50's vs 65+) and damper in the shop. ...
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I'm guessing, based on my limited experience, that you nailed it.
In the hotter weather, the CA cures extremely quickly and I'd guess it creates an edge that sheers as opposed to chipping when separated.
Again, try waxing the bushings with carnuba and buff it so that you have a finished edge on the bushing before doing the CA finish. It's helped me eliminate that problem pretty well.
 
Mannie - Your problem is exactly why I have 25 different finishes in the shop. There really isn't one finish that works for everything any more than there is one glue for all jobs. Try a shellac sealer (friction polish it well.) I use shellac on quite a few oily woods before applying my finish of choice.

Becca - If you get a near-perfect finish with your CA application, there's no need to change. I find I need a couple of the higher grits of MM or else a Tripoli then White Diamond polishing before I'm happy.
 
One of the guys here puts little discs of milk bottle material between the bushings and the blanks. Says it keeps the ca away from the bushings thus no chipping problems or little ridge. I have not tried it myself its been too damn cold in the shop to get much done lately.
 
Originally posted by Monty
<br />I love the CA finish but..................
I have two rosewood burl Jr Gents I have been trying to put a CA finish on now for the past 2 months. It consistently chips at the edge. I've tried scoring the edge, hand trimming with the barrel trimmer etc, everything except delrin bushings (don't have any)and still get chipping.
This past weekend I had to make a bacote cigar for an order. Before Christmas, I made several with no problems. Now I got the same chipping on the bacote. The only difference between now and before Christmas it is colder (upper 40's to 50's vs 65+) and damper in the shop.
I've gone so far as to let the CA cure 20+ minutes before removing from the bushings and it doesn't matter.
I don't think the the delrin bushings will help as I have been successful at removing the barrel from the bushing with out the chipping, but there is a little overhang of CA past the end. It's removing this edge when I get the chipping. Like I said earlier, I've tried hand trimming with the barrel trimmer and hand sanding with the same results.
Any suggestions?????????
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Geeezee Monty! I haven't had this problem. Who are you buying your CA from??? I have this great source for CA, if you need any! [;)]
 
Originally posted by DocStram
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Originally posted by Monty
<br />I love the CA finish but..................
I have two rosewood burl Jr Gents I have been trying to put a CA finish on now for the past 2 months. It consistently chips at the edge. I've tried scoring the edge, hand trimming with the barrel trimmer etc, everything except delrin bushings (don't have any)and still get chipping.
This past weekend I had to make a bacote cigar for an order. Before Christmas, I made several with no problems. Now I got the same chipping on the bacote. The only difference between now and before Christmas it is colder (upper 40's to 50's vs 65+) and damper in the shop.
I've gone so far as to let the CA cure 20+ minutes before removing from the bushings and it doesn't matter.
I don't think the the delrin bushings will help as I have been successful at removing the barrel from the bushing with out the chipping, but there is a little overhang of CA past the end. It's removing this edge when I get the chipping. Like I said earlier, I've tried hand trimming with the barrel trimmer and hand sanding with the same results.
Any suggestions?????????
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Geeezee Monty! I haven't had this problem. Who are you buying your CA from??? I have this great source for CA, if you need any! [;)]
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Thanks Doc[:D][:D][:D]

I use the same supplier as you. I get instant delivery though.[:D][}:)]
 
Originally posted by Monty
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Originally posted by wudnhed
<br />Mannie, maybe your CA is old or maybe the wood is oily? It will be interesting to see what others say and if you can solve the problem.
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Becca, The CA is fresh, that's the first thing I changed. I thought about the wood being oily, but since the bocote didn't give me any problems earlier, I doubt that would be the it.
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That would be REALLY bad if Mannie's CA was old! [:D][:D]
 
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