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Which computer is preferred?

PC or Mac?

What is your opinion, experience, etc. ? What is the learning curve on a Mac?
Give pro's and con's please.

I have always had a PC, but we use Mac at school and wanted to find out if it is worth switching at some point? So far, the Mac seems easy enough, but I've heard bad things about them.

Your input is appreciated.
 
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Depends on what you are doing. If you are going to do some graphic design / movie stuff then a Mac is great. For anything else, it is IMO paying more for the same stuff.
 
Depends on what you are doing. If you are going to do some graphic design / movie stuff then a Mac is great. For anything else, it is IMO paying more for the same stuff.


So, it would be best to just stick with what I already know, a PC?
The instructor says the software is exactly the same on both with the exception of the shortcuts and the software is proprietary to each.
 
I went over to Mac and have no intentions of going back. One of the things I like is continuity across software upgrades. When XP came you had to relearn how to do things, when Vista came out, whole new learning curve and once again when 07 came out. When Snow Leopard came out, there was no noticeable difference in how you navigated around the the computer, but there was more functionality. I also like the Apple Stores, where you can go and get tutorials on how to use different programs, for a fee, but still expert training on your Mac. Just a few of the things I like.
 
I bought a Mac laptop 5-6 years ago (typing on it right now) and I will NEVER look back. It's very easy to use, if you can navigate through Windows you'll have no problems. I prefer Mac's because they just work--no matter what I do. I almost never have issues with programs crashing, and on the rare occasion one does, it just shuts down without affecting the rest of the system. I've heard some folks complain that they need Microsoft Office programs (such as Word, Excel, etc.), but those are available for the Mac (I have them). I have not bought another computer since this one, and I don't see any reason to do so anywhere in the near future. My only problem is I'm out of hard drive space, but that's not the Mac's fault.:rolleyes: The only drawback that I can think of is software for the Apple is pretty proprietary and somewhat expensive, but this computer came loaded with everything I need to edit photos, video, store and play music, etc. Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it!:biggrin:
 
I agree with Nate and Brian.
I have an Imac and love it. Love the Time Machine function, keeps it backed up without doing anything to it.
As for being out of space Brian just add an external drive and keep stuff there. Very easy to do.
 
I agree with Nate and Brian.
I have an Imac and love it. Love the Time Machine function, keeps it backed up without doing anything to it.
As for being out of space Brian just add an external drive and keep stuff there. Very easy to do.

Yeah, just haven't had the money to deal with it right now.
 
I used to work at Apple few years ago in LA.....and let me tell the number of people I helped switched over to mac from PC. They couldnt be happier switching over to something that just works, no problems with viruses and it puts you in control of all of your music, photos(especially your pen photos) videos....everything really. I know they cost more...but you are paying for a quality machine. Good luck with your choice of purchase....you should just go to an apple store if there is one by you.
 
OK, mac folks will say they are a dream. And when they work, they are really nice. They will say no viruses, that is not true. There are some Mac viruses, and as they get more market share they will get more. It is not that the OS is better at fending them off, it is that if you are a virus creator you want to infect more computers not less.

If you have to work on them, they are a PITB. I have upgraded them and worked on them and so forth so I may be the wrong person to ask. I feel like I really understand PCs because I work on them and build them. I would say, that if what you plan on doing on your computer is primarily media of some sort be it pictures, video, music etc, then a Mac is a good choice. If you want something that you can upgrade, you can get people to work on and doesn't cost an arm and leg, and is compatible with most hardware out there, then a PC is a good choice.
 
I know about the software compatibility issues and I've heard and read that the Mac viruses are on the rise.
I don't want a computer that is only good at one thing. I want it to be versatile and if there isn't a great improvement over a PC, I don't want to have to finance a Mac. Checking the prices...:eek:. I've always had PC's and am familiar with their functions and operation, so if there isn't any justification to switch, I think what I have will suffice for a while.
If I ever get the software I need, it's either for a Mac or a PC and I can only purchase one copy, so if I would switch to a Mac later, I can't purchase a copy for it. So I was trying to avoid that problem to start with.
I noticed the Mac doesn't have but one drive. I know I could add an external, at an extra expense. The Mac I used today was a new one. It was just a monitor, no tower and the drive was in the side of the monitor and the USB's were in a terrible location, on the back of the monitor.

Thanks for the input so far...
 
My two cents...

I have a Mac and a PC next to each other.
The pc gets used every day, the Mac is used on weekends to talk to my parents on Skype.
I love my Mac but i use lots of 3D design software that is not compatible with it. I have a slightly older Mac, not the new Intel one.
That drove me nuts, they stopped doing updates for their older macs. Tough luck! I do not have the money to spend on a new one, so the PC gets to do most of the work!
The PC is dual core 4Gb Ram etc,etc...
Super fast and does everything i ask.
I have to use Internet security on the PC, but have nothing except the firewall on the Mac.
So for security the Mac wins hands down!!

If i could afford the top of the line new Mac i would do it and run Windows software on part of the drive!
I still use it for all my photos and video editing, it is far superior to a PC!

But at the end of the day it is up to you and what you are going to use it for!
They both have their pros and cons.
PC's have more cons but we have all lived with them for so long we take them for granted.
Once you first turn a mac on you wonder why you ever bothered with a PC!!
Until you have software issues because of an older model...!:biggrin:

Just my 2cents!

Andrew
 
Don't listen to the PC rhetoric... Have had mac's since 02'. Never a virus.. never a service issue.. never a crash.. never a software problem. Yes I had to buy the microsoft office suite but that was all I EVER had to add to any of my 4 Mac's. Also, I never worry about surfing, I go to any page anytime without thinking "is this site going to give me a virus". Maybe the Mac user does pay a little more for the computer but how much are you shelling out on software to protect your PC only to still get viruses and have to F disk that piece o' @$&* anyway? Try the mac if you already have a PC. Keep em both you won't be disappointed.

And as far as the learning curve. There's not one unless you want to keep looking for stuff to shut off after start up because you didn't need it slowing you system down to a crawl! The only thing you need to know off the bat is when you click the red dot (x on a pc) you are only closing the window and not the program. Use command Q to quit your applications and you will never have anything running that you don't need. Have fun making a choice.
 
OK... Can anyone explain what makes the Mac superior for photos, music, etc. ? Isn't the software what does this, not the computer?

The only local place that sells Mac is Bestbuy. I might stop in there tomorrow and talk to them.
 
Don't listen to the PC rhetoric... Have had mac's since 02'. Never a virus.. never a service issue.. never a crash.. never a software problem. Yes I had to buy the microsoft office suite but that was all I EVER had to add to any of my 4 Mac's. Also, I never worry about surfing, I go to any page anytime without thinking "is this site going to give me a virus". Maybe the Mac user does pay a little more for the computer but how much are you shelling out on software to protect your PC only to still get viruses and have to F disk that piece o' @$&* anyway? Try the mac if you already have a PC. Keep em both you won't be disappointed.

And as far as the learning curve. There's not one unless you want to keep looking for stuff to shut off after start up because you didn't need it slowing you system down to a crawl! The only thing you need to know off the bat is when you click the red dot (x on a pc) you are only closing the window and not the program. Use command Q to quit your applications and you will never have anything running that you don't need. Have fun making a choice.

I've never had a crash, never had to defrag, never had to do anything that I didn't want to do on my PC. Those stories are just from people who either try to load their computer up with junk software or don't know what they are doing. I'm using a free antivirus software, and I've never had a virus.

Plain and simple macs were good at one thing, and that's photo and video editing. But with today's PCs, it makes no sense to purchase a mac period. Anyone who says that Macs or even Linux is better is still living in the early 90s when microsoft was just pushing out junk and gobbling up money. They now have strict quality control and are so far ahead of the game it's not even funny.
 
Im not going any further in this discussion because it's about as useful as arguing that a democrat or republican is better than the other. Everyone has their own opinion and we all know what's those are like. I have had great experience's with my mac's and that's where I will leave it.

To answer the question of why people say they are better for media. I would say it's simply due to the way the OS works. It does not run so many background services/processes that eat up cpu and media programs are the most cpu intensive programs we use day to day.
 
I don't see any arguments starting and I'm not trying to get any started.
It's the opinions that I want and appreciate all of them.
So the Mac just operates more efficiently? Nothing running in the background? I haven't noticed any problems with anything running slow while editing on my PC and the Mac's at school don't really seem to run any faster.
 
I think part of the reason Macs work so well with music/photo/video editing is because of the proprietary software. iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, Garage Band, iTunes (which all come standard with a Mac) all work seamlessly with each other. As an example, about a year ago, I made some short home movies of my then 11-month old son as a Christmas gift for my father-in-law. Downloaded the video using iPhoto (just plugged in the camera via USB and clicked "import"), dragged the videos to iMovie, edited what I wanted, added music from iTunes (just dragged it over), even edited some music in Garage Band and added it in. Dragged the completed movie over to iDVD and rendered a semi-professional quality DVD complete with active menus (chapter selection, a short photo slideshow, etc.). It took me two months, but I had a lot of video to go through, and I kept changing my mind about things. Almost every time I worked on that project though, I would have most of those programs open at the same time, moving back and forth between each one. I experienced ZERO problems with moving items back and forth, and NO crashes.

Yes, Mac users are pretty diehard about their Macs. To me, that speaks volumes about the product. How many people get pumped up talking about Windows? (Except in commercials.)

I'm not trying in any way to knock PC's or their users. Just trying to relay my experience with my Mac, which has been completely positive.
 
Over the years I've been asked this very question hundreds of times. I'm not an IT guy but a home dabler...Soldered in an ram expansion plug on a TRS80 Colorcumpter back in the 80s. Bumped it from 16k of RAM to 64k. I've been dabling ever since. My answer is forget about what computer to buy. Find the software that you want to run and then find the system in your price range that will run it. There are some definate cross over problems in the business world. A lot of dedicated point of sale if not even supported by MACs.

Once again...Find the software you want to run and then get a system that will run it. My 2 cents worth..
 
SOFTWARE: Macs since 2006 use intel processors and can run everything a PC can run, and in addition software that PC's can't run natively. Bookcamp - Windows natively; Parallels and VM-Fusion with XP , emulation that runs MS Office faster on my 2006 Mac than my 2004 IBM Thinkpad (last model of IBM make.) There are others such as "wine" etc.



SECURITY/VIRUS: I will have to disagree with a couple of my friends who posted ahead of me. There are NO viruses for the Mac in the wild for OS X. In concept yes, released in the wild, no. Under the old OS waaay back when, there were a few. With OS X, - no. Security through obscurity is a myth. At Hackers 'conventions', higher rewards are attached to the Mac OS because it is much more difficult to hack into. News services do report these hackings of the Mac OS, but in the fine print - that is after they are given root permission and passwords. Duh! IF THERE IS a virus on the Mac, you better believe that the entire news world and PC world will make it Headline News for days on end! There will come a virus someday and probably soon, but not yet.

BTW: We do a lot of "tight communication security" and VPN work over here and computer talk is common at meetings. I used to be amazed at the replacement rate of PCs as compared to Macs among respective owners. The "acceptance" of replacement rates of PCs is common, and these folks talk about Macs being more expensive. At an informal comparison at one of our meetings - more money was spent over a 4 year period for hardware replacement per PC user than per Mac user. To be fair, there were the Business class PC owners who also spent less on average than the cheaper PC users.


QUALITY AND DURABILITY: On computers themselves, the cheaper PC computer hardware, the more chances that they will have to be tinkered with, repaired and even replaced. Tinkerers don't give this a second thought, but to the uninitiated, it is a nightmare. Lenovo Thinkpads and the Business line of HP and Dell are OK, but get down to the cheap[ lines that PCs are known for among consumers, the percentage of problems goes up. Again, tinkers can often fix these but the average non-tech consumer doesn't have a clue. By the time you get a high end PC that will last and give less overall problems, the pricing is on par with that of a Mac. Beware, there IS a huge difference in Business vs Consumer computers. You get what you pay for, unless you are a tinkerer.


WISDOM: I learned long ago to not recommend a "build it yourself - anything" because the next person may not be up to it like I or other tinkerers are. When I do/did, I then became their support person. :eek: There rarely is company support for tinkerers if something quits working! (The tinkerer is blamed) If a person is not up to tinkering, support becomes dependent on finding someone local (And I have been that person. :EEK:) Local help support price needs to be figured into the cost price of that computer.


WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? As pointed out before, it depends on what you want to do: Just operate a computer and get the job done, or enjoy tinkering along with work? If you like tinkering with hardware, the PC is the way to go. (There are plenty of tinkerers in the Mac world, BTW.) I work with Macs and PCs and have to maintain XPs and Vista's along with Macs. I have far more problems maintaining Vista and XP personnel than I do with Mac using personnel. I also find that the non-tech minded PC folks (that I work with) use their computer considerably less than the Mac folks do due to several reasons. For tinkerers and geek minded folks that come our way, I tell them to get a PC if they want, but for others, I tell them to get a Mac because my time is too valuable to be helping them with learning computer usage and fixing problems. (We don't have an in-country IT resource.)


I personally could care less about a brand names. But I recommend Macs because they just work, the OS is much more transparent than Windows for me. IMO, The Learning curve is much less because the focus is on the end user "productivity." Transparency of the computer and OS is essential for this. If the Mac OS didn't do this, I would not be in their camp! I probably would be over in Linux camp with "Business" quality hardware. .


One of the Mac's downfall UMO, is its overall longevity. Overall, the machines will last past their software usefulness. I still have a 14 year old tower and it still does Photoshop well, but it is hard to find a printer that will work with such old hardware and an old OS. My 2000 Mac Powerbook still works. My 2004 Powerbook is still in use by my youngest daughter. LOML's 2004 iBook is still in use by grandkids. My 2005 Thinkpad is still in use too. Our consumer PCs (HPs) worked about 2 to 3 years for us before having to be replaced. Are we hard on PC's? Not anymore than the Macs. They just don't last even though we don't use them as much.


LASTLY: Look at what switchers say. Is the same appreciation spoken both ways? Why or why not?
 
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I've never had a crash, never had to defrag, never had to do anything that I didn't want to do on my PC. Those stories are just from people who either try to load their computer up with junk software or don't know what they are doing. I'm using a free antivirus software, and I've never had a virus.

Plain and simple macs were good at one thing, and that's photo and video editing. But with today's PCs, it makes no sense to purchase a mac period. Anyone who says that Macs or even Linux is better is still living in the early 90s when microsoft was just pushing out junk and gobbling up money. They now have strict quality control and are so far ahead of the game it's not even funny.

This is not true by any stretch, Windows is still working off an old X86 os system that still uses an outdated hive system for the registry. I for one do not like being the test subject for Microsoft. They do a poor job of finding the bugs then throw out a patch to try to fix one issue without thoroughly testing. How many times have you updated your systems to only find out that the newest patch not only causes another problem but it most of the time still has not fixed the original problem. One of the reason that the OS X is not hampered with a lot of viruses or adware or spyware or malware or rootkits ( i could go on), is that the OS is in packages, which are shielded from the common user. You would have to be the Root User in order to affect the whole machine / OS. As far as Windows being so far ahead I would ask that you look back to the Mac OS X version Jaguar, this came out in 2003 which was well before Vista. Jaguar at this time already had many of the aspect that were touted as visionary in Vista. Microsoft simply copied some of the ideas and merely changed the name and location that it was located on the screen.

Are there Viruses for the Mac, Yes they are out there. When was the last time you (windows folks) ran an antivirus. I bet it was within a day of this if not all the time. I have not run and do not have any antivirus software on my Mac. I would dare any PC do that. Did you shiver, I just did.

I was a long time PC user, I'm talking from the early age of the AT (286 Mhz) computers up until seven years ago. I purchased an old blueberry Imac for my daughter (because that's what she was using in school) it was a 150 Mhz Power PC iMac, I was able to throw the newest OS at that time (Jaguar) on it and have it run. Now I would have anyone do that to a 286 with windows XP and get it to run. It may turn on and run but is it useable. My daughter used her blueberry for a year, before I upgraded her to an eMac.

One of the questions was about the software issues / costs. If you need Office there are free choices out there, PM me and I will help you there. Also you could get a copy of iWork and do everything that you need as well as work with others that have MS Office or just buy Office for Mac. check out the Mac Heists and Mac Update bundles. The last one I purchased for $50.00, I got a Three D piece of software worth $400.00(Kinemac is a 3D Real Time Animation Software for Mac OS X) check it out. Also, do need Photshop, pay $50.00 and get Pixelmator http://www.pixelmator.com/. You won't need Photshop then.

I haven't found anything that I needed to use or that I couldn't do on my mac. If it is some proprietary piece of software that is made for only a PC, well then you could always use a virtual machine(pay) or bootcamp(free) to run windows.

I have worked on Computers for years, I have built numerous systems. I do Computer Forensics and Networking. I have a network that uses Mac and Windows Server and all Mac clients. I have had the heartache of trouble shooting problems that the user can create with a PC, Since I converted the station to Macs, I have not had problems in the past two years. That alone should say something.

Please do some homework check out the macs. Are they more expensive, Yes, but look at what you get with them, Also look into longevity. I replaced my old Domed iMac last year with a MacPro, If you want an Upgradeable system, the MacPro is the way to go. They are more expensive initially at purchase, but worth it.

As far as never getting a Virus on your PC, let me put it to you this way. The last time I did a XP / Vista roll out (12 computers in all) it took me three minutes to get infected after going live on the net. Where was I going that I got infected WINDOWS UPDATE...........
 
I have use both kinds of computers. I got my first mac in 1984 and it is still being used by someone for word processing. I have had an HP, a Dell and both broke many times at great expense to have fixed. I have a MAC that is an older 1998 G4 with dual processors that still works great and a laptop that can do anything that I need it to do-word processing, photos, video, excel, printshop, and everything just flows.
Is it possible to borrow a MAC from someone and try it out. You should look on-line at MAC Warehouse and a couple other places. If you work for an educational facility Apple will give you an educational discount and you can order online from the Apple store rather then buying from best buy.
 
bought a mac laptop for my son 3 years ago. it has performed fantastically, been bounced around in his backpack and used for just about everything. the applecare warranty was well woth the money spent and has covered everything that has gone wrong (including obvious user caused problems. the folks at the apple store have handled everything quickly and correctly. bottom line...couldn't be happier with it and when mine needs replacing, I will switch form pc to mac.
 
I have never used a Mac yet but since no one has really posted anything negative I guess I should buck the trend. My mother in law went through 2 of them (laptop and desktop) and both of them sucked for her. Both ended up dying on her. I don't know the specifics of what happened. I just know that she was not a very happy Mac user. She has since switched to a PC and never looked back. I would like to try a Mac for comparison purposes but I can't seem to find an inexpensive one.
 
my teenage daughter had a pc laptop, and would crash all the time, had to hire a geek to come in and "clean" her computer, she had over 1400 'infections'. I bought her a macbook 4 years ago, no crashes, no infections, and it has endured my daughters abuse. Now, every computer in the house is a mac, and will never go back. Had to hire a geek to network the old pc's together, with a mac, I did it myself in 5 minutes. You get what you pay for.
 
Boy... you Mac users are persuasive.

I need to run Adobe CS4 for school, so the software that comes with the Mac is irrelevant to start. I'm sure I will use it in time.
If a Mac will run the same software as a PC, why does Adobe list a version for Mac and one for PC? I thought the software was based on the OS and not the processor. Is this incorrect?
I'm trying to get the money around to purchase the software and if it will work in both computers, switching to a Mac at this time won't matter, I could get one later when I won't have to finance it.
I know about the crashes and all the malicious attacks on a PC. I can't even sign onto the net without my antivirus popping up about an attack. It would be nice to eliminate these problems and not be as concerned about loosing my work all the time.
I'm definately going to check into the Mac's.
 
Boy... you Mac users are persuasive.

Its like CAJUN food. After eating REAL home cooked cajun food, everything else is just sustenance! :biggrin:

30 years ago, My 80 year old neighbor, Mr. Johnny, Quartrivangt (SP?) was in a bad mood. I asked "Mr. Johnny what's the matter?"

Him: "I went to the doctor today and he told me (because of high blood pressure) 'to quit eating da spicy food, or I was gonna die. (the Mrs.) Ladee listened. But I tole 'em both that if I can't have my spicy food, I wanna die!'"
:biggrin: :biggrin:
 
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