When does a casting or blank become a component?

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So I recently had one of my posts relocated from the "Show off your pens" forum to the "Casting and Stabilization" forum by one of the moderators. So my question is this...When exactly does a Pen blank, Casting, or material become a pen component? The reason I ask is not to start a fight here, but to gain a better understanding of both the forum and the terms used in pen making.

The image in question showed a turned material with brass tubes inserted and 100% ready to add to a kit. The only thing that didn't make this a pen I guess is because it lacked the other components. I mentioned that I cast the material so I understand why it was moved here...

Just confused and looking for some clarity.

Oh yea...CASTING CASTING CASTING CASTING in the event this shouldn't be posted here...?
 
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Although this is best answered by the moderators, I would venture the thought that "Show off your pens" implies something that writes.

Tubes with PR on them don't write. Now, they may also qualify for "penmaking" as well as "casting"--but probably not so much as "pens".

Just a FWIW---again, I would ask Curtis or Andrew or Dean for a better explanation, if you are unclear on any decision they make. (They have moved several of my threads over the years---it doesn't hurt much!!)
 
The thing I don't get is that not more than two weeks ago I posted my Tru-Stone test blank looking for feedback on the same forum and never had any issues. So the whole thing is confusing to me. I like to post and show new things, but it becomes too much of a pain to work around the fine lines we seem to walk around here. What I can post, where I can post, and who I can give credit to. I guess it's just better to post finished pens where I know they go and address questions through PM.

It's a shame really, but it's what the IAP is I guess.

Thanks Ed
 
Tim
The IAP IS its members.

Certain members choose to complain about things you and I might very well consider "nitpicking". So, the mods and Jeff and his management team attempt to keep peace by making rules. When things are "black and white", one hopes those who complain can be mollified by reading the rules they inspired.

Meanwhile, like me, try to accept the fact that the information you provide will help the rest of the members--no matter WHAT forum it lands in.

We make good friends on the IAP, which makes some other folks "green-eyed" (IMO). Rules are written to try to keep the sand in the sandbox, no throwing at each other!!!

Take it light, man!! (I try to)

BTW, don't be surprised if this gets moved to Casual Conversation--sorry, I led you into the weeds!!!
 
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Im sorry, but i respectfully dont see what the big problem is? I dont find anything around here a shame. What you posted was some tubes that you had CAST. You didnt make a pen or have a pen to show off. You had something that you cast to show off, which is why it got moved to the casting forum. Where is the confusion here? Is it really that big of a hassle and a pain to find out where to post things?

Also, you could have given all the credit in the world to anyone you chose in your thread. You just cant STATE or POST a LINK as to where to BUY said blanks as that would be advertising for said person. All of this is laid out quite well in the rules.

Please dont take this the wrong way, i just dont see where all of the confusion and hassle is coming from?

Justin

wiset1 said:
The thing I don't get is that not more than two weeks ago I posted my Tru-Stone test blank looking for feedback on the same forum and never had any issues. So the whole thing is confusing to me. I like to post and show new things, but it becomes too much of a pain to work around the fine lines we seem to walk around here. What I can post, where I can post, and who I can give credit to. I guess it's just better to post finished pens where I know they go and address questions through PM.

It's a shame really, but it's what the IAP is I guess.

Thanks Ed
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It's a shame really, but it's what the IAP is I guess.
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The shame of it is that you sent this question to me via PM, and also on the forum proper before letting me answer (a second time - I already told you why I moved it). I am more than willing to let you know again why it was moved - and everyone else, apparently...

Since you posted a picture of a casting you made in Show Off Your Pens that wasn't made into a pen, I moved it to Casting, as that was the appropriate forum. There isn't a penalty or anything for having a mod move a post to where it belongs, so I don't know why you're upset...

I don't see how moving it was such a big deal to you, but my public apologies for offending you by moving your post to the appropriate forum.
 
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Tim,

I'm not the moderator that moved your post, but I agree 100% with it. I think you are taking this way to seriously. You weren't scolded, your post wasn't deleted, no-one said you did anything wrong.

All that was done was to move a post of a recent CASTING to the casting forum from the show off your PEN forum. Had you taken the finished tubes and put them on a PEN it wouldn't have been moved.

The moderator move things from one forum to another ALL THE TIME. Sometimes we do it because it is in the wrong area, sometimes because it will get a question answered better, sometimes because it just makes more sense.

You were asking for feedback on your casting - so this makes sense.

You said "The only thing that didn't make this a pen I guess is because it lacked the other components." .... I say the only thing that doesn't make this a pen is its not a pen .... YET!

Dean
Asst Mod
 
Okay, let me clear the air here..."I'm not upset, just confused as a result of my post being moved". As noted my confusion came from a previous post made that showed a design I made without the final pen components that was allowed to stay on the "Show off your Pens" forum. So when this was moved I was wondering WTF, where did my post go. That should clear things up for Justin who didn't understand why I was confused.

While I do post here often I don't spend hours reading every single rule or detail so forgive me if I'm not grasping the full scope of the IAP. Call me simple if you will, but I think being able to share ideas should be open and simple and span countries and time.

Now that I know it was the casting portion of the image I'll reserve those images to this forum. At the end of this all I was just looking for clarification. I wasn't looking for a fight or to ask people to choose sides. Just looking for answers...remember when the earth was flat...? Asking questions is a good thing.

Thanks Ed, Maxwel, Justin, Dean, and anyone else who wants to bash me or chime in here. I'll keep asking so feel free to keep posting:biggrin:
 
wiset1 said:
Now that I know it was the casting portion of the image I'll reserve those images to this forum. At the end of this all I was just looking for clarification. I wasn't looking for a fight or to ask people to choose sides. Just looking for answers...remember when the earth was flat...? Asking questions is a good thing.

Thanks Ed, Maxwel, Justin, Dean, and anyone else who wants to bash me or chime in here. I'll keep asking so feel free to keep posting:biggrin:
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Tim. We are not bashing. We are explaining the move, and explaining that this happens a lot so things are in the best spot. Note that NO rule was broken - a post move is not a "negative thing". However, you posting things like "It's a shame really, but it's what the IAP is I guess." does not sound like just a question to me.

Dean
 
I've only been a member a few years but I am on several other boards and I am a Moderator for a large site (50k members). Maybe what happened was the Mods just missed your other post. I know it happens on sites I help administer, just way too many posts to have one person or even a very small group of Mods watch and read. Speaking only for myself, I trust members to alert the staff of problems and report things that are not in the proper place or when posts get out of control.

I really would not sweat it. There was no harm done.
 
Okay, I hear the component side of why it's not a pen, but again can anyone explain to me why the link below which show another one of my creations was allowed to stay in the "Show off your pen forum"? Enter my confusion as to why I was moved. I understand...image of a cast blank along with a turned product.

http://www.penturners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=85995&highlight=Tru-Stone

And not to call people out on word play because I really like Curtis, but why can he show "Stabilized Spanish Oak Box with Mescalbean Majestic" when it clearly says Stabilized which should be in Casting and Stabilization? This is a crazy thing for me to say...right? Well, that how I felt and why I was asking questions. No slapping, no name calling, no heated tempers,...just asking a question.:rolleyes:

I'm sure the thread will grow and people will chime in as to why I'm wrong, but that's fine. It's how we learn and grow.
 
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Okay, I hear the component side of why it's not a pen, but again can anyone explain to me why the link below which show another one of my creations was allowed to stay in the "Show off your pen forum"? Enter my confusion as to why I was moved. I understand...image of a cast blank along with a turned product.

http://www.penturners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=85995&highlight=Tru-Stone

And not to call people out on word play because I really like Curtis, but why can he show "Stabilized Spanish Oak Box with Mescalbean Majestic" when it clearly says Stabilized which should be in Casting and Stabilization? This is a crazy thing for me to say...right? Well, that how I felt and why I was asking questions. No slapping, no name calling, no heated tempers,...just asking a question.:rolleyes:

I'm sure the thread will grow and people will chime in as to why I'm wrong, but that's fine. It's how we learn and grow.
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Will a moderator please move Tim's other post to casting??? :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Show off your pen means just that pens not blanks. You can add me to the thank you list too if you want.
 
wiset1 said:
Okay, I hear the component side of why it's not a pen, but again can anyone explain to me why the link below which show another one of my creations was allowed to stay in the "Show off your pen forum"? Enter my confusion as to why I was moved. I understand...image of a cast blank along with a turned product.

http://www.penturners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=85995&highlight=Tru-Stone

And not to call people out on word play because I really like Curtis, but why can he show "Stabilized Spanish Oak Box with Mescalbean Majestic" when it clearly says Stabilized which should be in Casting and Stabilization? This is a crazy thing for me to say...right? Well, that how I felt and why I was asking questions. No slapping, no name calling, no heated tempers,...just asking a question.:rolleyes:

I'm sure the thread will grow and people will chime in as to why I'm wrong, but that's fine. It's how we learn and grow.
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So, would you feel better if this post was moved too?
Show off your pens is to show off your pens, not a barrel (or part of a pen).
 
wiset1 said:
Okay, I hear the component side of why it's not a pen, but again can anyone explain to me why the link below which show another one of my creations was allowed to stay in the "Show off your pen forum"? Enter my confusion as to why I was moved. I understand...image of a cast blank along with a turned product.

http://www.penturners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=85995&highlight=Tru-Stone

And not to call people out on word play because I really like Curtis, but why can he show "Stabilized Spanish Oak Box with Mescalbean Majestic" when it clearly says Stabilized which should be in Casting and Stabilization? This is a crazy thing for me to say...right? Well, that how I felt and why I was asking questions. No slapping, no name calling, no heated tempers,...just asking a question.:rolleyes:

I'm sure the thread will grow and people will chime in as to why I'm wrong, but that's fine. It's how we learn and grow.
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Well.. your other post is a bit grey. We really don't have a good spot for a semi finished blank - its not quite a pen, and there is no better forum (and I can tell you I didn't see it, but if I had I don't know that it would have been moved since there is no obvious better spot.) The post in question (since you were asking for comments on a self cast MIGHT have gotten moved even without the "raw" casting picture - as you were asking for comments on something you cast.

As for the post that Curtis made.. Yes it says stabilized in the title.. However the key part of that post is the fact that there is a Mescalbean Majestic PEN in that post. Actually that post could have been made sense in either of two forums: SOYP for the pen or "Other things we make" because of the box. He could have choose either.

Had you put your tubes onto a pen, even with the cast block picture in the same post, then it would have been valid in either the casting forum OR the SOYP forum.

Dean
Asst Mod
 
funny...I'm sure that's the next thing to happen. By the way, thank you, ha ha ha.

Okay...I'm done with this thread.

Moving on...Thanks everyone for the feedback.
 
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Maybe what happened was the Mods just missed your other post.
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Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

There are 3 mods for IAP and we simply can not be everywhere at all times. We are a member of this forum just like everyone else and contrary to popular belief, we do not simply open threads just to look for broken rules. We view the threads that interest us based on the title, just like you do. Maybe your other thread just did not interest one of the 3 of us so we did not see it.

As for my post with the PEN and box...I do believe there is a pen in there!
 
1 - Every decent forum with a top-notch mod team moves posts.
2 - They don't see every single post. Sometimes stuff that could be moved doesn't get moved. As Curtis pointed out, we don't see everything
3 - There is no harm, shame, or foul in having a post moved. We're simply trying to keep things where we think they make the most sense, get the best exposure, or get people the most answers to a question.

So PLEASE, everyone, if your post gets moved, RELAX! We're not picking on you!
 
Tim, Is the post you are getting all worked up over the "Gold leaf and cobalt blue"?

If so, I would say it doesn't belong in either the SOYP OR the Casting and Stabilization forums but in the Market Research forum!

In the middle of your post you said..... "I'm looking to get a feel on what people think about this and if it's worth doing more of these in various colors "

From where I sit that's out of page four of "marketing 101" plain and simple! There is no harm in doing market research, that's why there is a forum set up just for that purpose! I suspect the problem is that it doesn't have the visibility of the SOYP forum.

And I'm with several others here on this one..... the Show Off Your Pen forum is pretty self explanitory.

I don't get it! Everyone running around making blanks to sell and instead of putting the posts where they belong, they stick them in the forums with the most visibility then get upset when the posts are moved and make a big deal over something that should not have been done to begin with!
 
Texatdurango said:
In the middle of your post you said..... "I'm looking to get a feel on what people think about this and if it's worth doing more of these in various colors "

From where I sit that's out of page four of "marketing 101" plain and simple! There is no harm in doing market research, that's why there is a forum set up just for that purpose! I suspect the problem is that it doesn't have the visibility of the SOYP forum.
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Except George, you are making a big assumption that Tim is asking the opinion for selling his blanks. Since Tim has no history of selling, that's not a fair assumption. There is a TON of people who post their own castings here and get opinions on their quality and outcome of their casts. That makes this a perfectly fine forum for that post to be in.

Dean
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alphageek said:
Texatdurango said:
In the middle of your post you said..... "I'm looking to get a feel on what people think about this and if it's worth doing more of these in various colors "

From where I sit that's out of page four of "marketing 101" plain and simple! There is no harm in doing market research, that's why there is a forum set up just for that purpose! I suspect the problem is that it doesn't have the visibility of the SOYP forum.
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Except George, you are making a big assumption that Tim is asking the opinion for selling his blanks. Since Tim has no history of selling, that's not a fair assumption. There is a TON of people who post their own castings here and get opinions on their quality and outcome of their casts. That makes this a perfectly fine forum for that post to be in.

Dean
Asst Mod
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Yeah you're right, I'm probably reading too much into the word "worth" where he said... "if it's worth doing more of these in various colors"

He's probably planning on using them all for his own pens, I doubt he'll ever start selling blanks, my mistake!
 
It is totally ok to have a post moved, I've had a few done I'm sure.

It is when posts get deleted that one should get butthurt. :)

Like this one will probably be because of that comment.

No harm meant to be intended just helping to make light of the situation. hehe

:)
 
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