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Ok, it has almost been about a week that IAP Wood & Alternative Material Chart for Pen Turning project was moved to a subforum under the penmaking. Before this event we had good number of folks contributing to the chart and we were moving along. Then we get folks asking the chart to be moved to a seperate forum of its own. That was done too. Then all of a sudden there has been four or so people who were the major contributors only visited the forum and all the threads are pushed away.
What happned here? IS this what you all wanted? To push it out of site out of the mind? I did ask in a poll for your input to spare Jeff and the IAP from all of this work and now no one even bothers with it.
If this chart is not worthwhile then we can stop and everyone is going to be happy.
Your true and honest input is really requested here. And, please, don't think that it would hurt my feelings if you guys teel your true opinion.

I am hoping that this will not become a debate and we can all discuss this in a civil matter and open mindedly.
Thanks for looking, and responding.
 
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Phillip, I wish I had some time to help but I'm in the middle of trying to make just over 100 tools in about 10 working days, along with trying to keep up with Therapy, running a business and helping my wife. I will have a couple of days between this show in Georgia and a show selling pens and turnings, I haven't even been able to get near a wood lathe in three days, I do have a couple of items almost ready to post for your chart, I just need to do a bit more research, also Chris and I are trying to get something going for Ron Adams, and it has NOT been an easy task, all we are trying to do is help a brother out, but it's not drawing much more attention than your wood chart, I think it's amazing that people can't try and help just a little bit, with either of these worthwhile projects.
 
Phillip,

Are we going to have to have a thread like this every single week? If folks want to participate, they will. If not, they won't. Constantly asking this same question every week will not get it anywhere.

Just my opinion as a member, not as the moderator.
 
MesquiteMan said:
Phillip,

Are we going to have to have a thread like this every single week? If folks want to participate, they will. If not, they won't. Constantly asking this same question every week will not get it anywhere.

Just my opinion as a member, not as the moderator.
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Curtis, so it's becoming a nusiance. I was just trying to figure it out. I think we just leave the whole thing alone then.
BTW, I'd like to know If I was on yor ignore list since I have not gotten any return replies from you?
 
MesquiteMan said:
Phillip,

Are we going to have to have a thread like this every single week? If folks want to participate, they will. If not, they won't. Constantly asking this same question every week will not get it anywhere.

Just my opinion as a member, not as the moderator.
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Curtis I PM'd you to ask about getting info and the permission about putting your cactus blanks on the chart never got an answer from you. But, this honest question is posted and there you ask me the Qsn. So, I get that this project was a nuisance.
 
Phillip,

Please don't be discouraged. When people log onto the site they do so for a variety of reasons. First and foremost, to look at pens, read about pens, talk about pens, etc. Not everyone is going to contribute every time they log in. Myself, I will contribute to your chart if I EVER find the time to turn pen again. The chart is a nice resource. People will contribute when they can, but it is unrealistic to believe that you are going to get a bunch of new entries every day. Hang in there!!
 
If you think of this whole site as an encyclopedia of pen turning knowledge, some of it will be of interst to a few, other parts not so much, perhaps. A new pen turner probably isn't going to get much out of the advanced section (other than maybe inspiration to continue on), but what about after he's been here a year or two? My point is, just because something doesn't appeal to someone right now, doesn't mean it won't at some point. This is obviously something you have much interest in. Others will benefit (and contribute) as time goes by. Try to think of it as a journey to be enjoyed not a task that must get done. :)
 
Phillip.

Relax. I have contributed to this Resource - because I could. I have also gone there to use it as, I hope, it was intended - as a reference.
 
Phillip,

I havent chimed in on this in a long time, so here goes.

I think it is a good project in concept, and many want to participate, but frankly you are pushing too hard. And, you started pushing too hard before even making your first pen, so you have a credibility problem.

Seems like it is a race for you to get much done in a short time. All the many threads for different woods have turned me off to a project I originally supported, and still think is a great idea in concept. This is why you are on peoples ignore list (I dont know this for fact, making assumptiopns on indirect comments). This doesn't have to happen fast - it will grow over time.

It's hard enough to do everything in life, and this is a large forum that I already cant read everything. Try backing off the pace - give people a break. Wait a little while and try to post a new wood for comments every 1 to 2 weeks. Lightens everyones load including yours. You are making it too much like work. Easy up and make more pens.

If you do this just barely often enough that people dont forget about it, it will continually grow (over years), and I think at some point you will get volunteer submissions as people learn things they think will benefit others - i think this is the model you should strive for.

Things like this that grow fast tend to stagnate and die after initial growth - just a pattern in life I ahve noticed. Slower growth is much more stable becasue it just turns into a normal activity instead of some big push.

I dont have you on ignore, but I rarely open any of your wood threads because its just too much. What I figure in cases like this is that if it is how I am reacting to a situation, many others share the same reactions.

My advise - ease up - throw a new wood (or alternate material) out every other week so people dont forget about it and see how it goes with a more relaxed pace.
 
My opinion is that most of the info you are assembling is available elsewhere and the rest of it is not really important. I will not use the document and really I;m just not interested in what you are doing. But, if you want to continue then I say go for it. Those who want to help will do so and those of us who are not interested will not. This is getting close to the PITH controversy. Continue with your endeavor but leave those alone who choose not to help out. This is just my personal opinion.
Do a good turn daily!
Don


phillywood said:
Your true and honest input is really requested here. And, please, don't think that it would hurt my feelings if you guys teel your true opinion.
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I haven't turned any wood for a couple of weeks. It's all been acrylics and cartridge pens for an upcoming show, my wife just got into. As said before, it will happen as it happens.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Relax and keep up the good work.
 
Phillip I agree do not be discouraged but also I know from experience on this site and in life in general. sometimes it is a really good idea but if one person on the project gets too pushy then things don't end well. Just remember that this forum is not the only things going on in others lives. I think that the overal idea is great because it allows for input from people that have penmaking experience. I know that I personally have barely enough time to look or post because of time constraints. it will get done.

Most things get better with age,
 
I agree with the others.. Relax.. You've not even been here 1/2 a year yet. Maybe take a more 'voyeur' reaction to it... If someone posts a pen thats of a material thats not in the list, as them to add some info.

Rome wasn't built in a day. I think this will grow, but it will take time. Are you generating the PDF automatically to get updates? If not, I think this is ripe for an actual database and generator tool. It nots something that can be built overnight either, but send me a PM if this is something that you think is worth trying.
 
Phil, keep plugging along. Ed and I will keep helping as much as we can. Others will chime in from time to time. Can't really give you much more advice then that.

The way I see it you are making less post then the ones I see that are asking how do you turn ____ and what are tips for working with ____. If this information was already in a chart then maybe we could direct these people to the chart instead. I know I blew up enough blanks that maybe I could have saved if I would have had a chart like this.

Everyone's time is equally valuable but for me it only takes 30 seconds to answer these questions and I am trying to do them right after I turn the pen that you need the info for.
 
alphageek said:
I agree with the others.. Relax.. You've not even been here 1/2 a year yet. Maybe take a more 'voyeur' reaction to it... If someone posts a pen thats of a material thats not in the list, as them to add some info.

Rome wasn't built in a day. I think this will grow, but it will take time. Are you generating the PDF automatically to get updates? If not, I think this is ripe for an actual database and generator tool. It nots something that can be built overnight either, but send me a PM if this is something that you think is worth trying.
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Not to beat the poor dead horse, but what it's ripe for is the wiki and some MediaWiki templates :biggrin:
 
jeff said:
alphageek said:
I agree with the others.. Relax.. You've not even been here 1/2 a year yet. Maybe take a more 'voyeur' reaction to it... If someone posts a pen thats of a material thats not in the list, as them to add some info.

Rome wasn't built in a day. I think this will grow, but it will take time. Are you generating the PDF automatically to get updates? If not, I think this is ripe for an actual database and generator tool. It nots something that can be built overnight either, but send me a PM if this is something that you think is worth trying.
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Not to beat the poor dead horse, but what it's ripe for is the wiki and some MediaWiki templates :biggrin:
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Jeff, now that the majority spoken. I back off and spend soemtime trying to figure out the Wiki, because pretty soon I wouldn't be able to send bigger than 25 MB file. it's alread close to 12MB. Or even better we may not even need to go there. But at least there is something to find seme info.
 
Pic. of the lathe and my pens should follow soon then we will talk about getting critiqed on my pens that should take the heat off this subject for awhile. 'till I gain some credibility. Right now my credit scores here suck. :eek::wink:
 
Philly... Let me see if I can turn your template into a wiki one.. Then I think we can explain it better...

That will remove the size problem and make mods easier and organization too.

Give me a bit of time to play.... I think your project could be one to really kickstart the wiki.. You have a ton of good data.
 
alphageek said:
Philly... Let me see if I can turn your template into a wiki one.. Then I think we can explain it better...

That will remove the size problem and make mods easier and organization too.

Give me a bit of time to play.... I think your project could be one to really kickstart the wiki.. You have a ton of good data.
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I knew you guys are winner like your football team. Right now, the size is big because it's on a MSword for sure. what I wasn't sure that if MS Access can be uploaded here though or to the Wiki?
 
Phillip, Not ignoring you. I do not have anyone on my ignore list. I could not be an effective moderator if I did! I just have a lot of more important things going on right now such as trying to raise money for a 16 year old with cancer and moderating this site, let alone my own real life and trying to pay the bills.
 
alphageek said:
Philly... Let me see if I can turn your template into a wiki one.. Then I think we can explain it better...

That will remove the size problem and make mods easier and organization too.

Give me a bit of time to play.... I think your project could be one to really kickstart the wiki.. You have a ton of good data.
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Dean, you can get lots of help on the Wiki from randyrls. Thanks :biggrin:
 
jeff said:
alphageek said:
Philly... Let me see if I can turn your template into a wiki one.. Then I think we can explain it better...

That will remove the size problem and make mods easier and organization too.

Give me a bit of time to play.... I think your project could be one to really kickstart the wiki.. You have a ton of good data.
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Dean, you can get lots of help on the Wiki from randyrls. Thanks :biggrin:
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I am still waiting to hear from him on how to post to Wiki myself so hopefully he will post in the Wiki section soon on how to do it.
 
Google, YouTube are very helpful. Such as:

[ytmini]2RANQkKNWGs[/ytmini]

The biggest issue in adding content is deciding on a common format for large blocks of data which are similar. That's where templates come into play and hopefully Dean and Randy can help get some templates in place which will make adding the data from Phil's chart much easier.
 
Philip:
Forgive my being blunt, but your posts about the chart are coming uncomfortably close to scolding. Lots of people on this forum make contributions of some kind or another, and they do it for the pleasure of giving something back in appreciation for what they have received. No one receives medals or honors for their contributions, just the pleasure of contributing.

I've downloaded the chart, looked through it with interest, but will probably not refer to it again. I tend to be a "hands on" learner, who depends on discovery and trial and error in the shop, because (unlike the rest of my life) it's supposed to be fun.

I've opened your posts in the past because I have enjoyed your enthusiasm and have tried to help a little with direction and advice. But now, having been scolded for a few weeks, I'll just pass on future ones.

No offense intended. I appreciate your efforts, and I hope you'll find that the work it took to put your chart together was its own reward.
Doug
 
dgscott said:
Philip:
Forgive my being blunt, but your posts about the chart are coming uncomfortably close to scolding. Lots of people on this forum make contributions of some kind or another, and they do it for the pleasure of giving something back in appreciation for what they have received. No one receives medals or honors for their contributions, just the pleasure of contributing.

I've downloaded the chart, looked through it with interest, but will probably not refer to it again. I tend to be a "hands on" learner, who depends on discovery and trial and error in the shop, because (unlike the rest of my life) it's supposed to be fun.

I've opened your posts in the past because I have enjoyed your enthusiasm and have tried to help a little with direction and advice. But now, having been scolded for a few weeks, I'll just pass on future ones.

No offense intended. I appreciate your efforts, and I hope you'll find that the work it took to put your chart together was its own reward.
Doug
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I did mention above that I will not be offended. In addition, I didn't mean to scold any one about contributing to the chart. the intention here was that this site was built on " Lots of people on this forum make contributions of some kind or another, and they do it for the pleasure of giving something back in appreciation for what they have received" what you just said otherwise you or me or anyone else wouldn't be here. i don't think that all these information got on this site on its own. they had to be contributed and someone had to gather and put them here. Think back to the day that you joined, did you google the info or something you were seeking the information about or someone told you about this site then you joined. This chart is not something personal for me that gives me the the pleasure. I came here because someone told me about it. There are lots of inforamtion here that willhelp me grow in this trade too.Then I made these many friends who are just like teachers that you may have to otherwise pay to learn from and these teachers are just few words typing on the comp. away from me. In addition, my intentions of the chart was in line with the sole purpose of the IAP site existence, education not scolding or anything else. when I posted this thread the intentions were to bring out the exact feelings of few people like yourself that won't say the way they felt about it. I already declared that I will cease the project and leave it alone W/O any further posts. What bothered me was that why we had to bother with having Jeff go through all that finger typing to create something that was not going to be supported anyways? He already said in a previous thread that he may have to take down WIKI because it has not been used or added on for a long time. I didn't want to this forum or project to take the same dead life of its own too. Heck, I can't fill the chart up by my own, I haven't had enough pen turning experience to know all these info. contributed contibuted anyways.
Like I see it, it has become more of a daytime show than the real thing so we gonna leave it alone for now. People have spoken, and decision is made. At least I have started it, some one else can carry the rest of the way.
it won't bother me none. I have made enough friends who will help me if I stumble on a problem with pen turning and rest of the other folks can just post their qsn.s as well. And, I am sure someone will respond and give them the answers.
I ahve spoken to members who told me they are not excited to come to IAP anymore becauese it has become boring or there are not any more contents which excites them. they also added that this is why the have become inactive.
 
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phillywood said:
I ahve spoken to members who told me they are not excited to come to IAP anymore becauese it has become boring or there are not any more contents which excites them. they also added that this is why the have become inactive.
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And such is the life of a forum. Folks come and go on a regular basis. There is usually a core group of members that stick around through thick and thin for the long haul, then there are others who come and go. Nothing new there.
 
Yea for the Wiki --- It is time to get there!!!!

Thanks Dean and Randy ---

Yea Wiki -- this is an application made for Wiki!!!
 
MesquiteMan said:
phillywood said:
I ahve spoken to members who told me they are not excited to come to IAP anymore becauese it has become boring or there are not any more contents which excites them. they also added that this is why the have become inactive.
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And such is the life of a forum. Folks come and go on a regular basis. There is usually a core group of members that stick around through thick and thin for the long haul, then there are others who come and go. Nothing new there.
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Curtis, the goal is to keep them and have fun commubicating w/o any provocations. We are not here to argue or fight. We came here to enjoy a comon interest that we all have.
 
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