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gketell

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I just received this in email and thought it might be useful for some. The one caveat I would put on the recommendations is don't fill your tank in the morning unless you are about to drive a ways or when it expands it may just overflow out. Harder on new cars but I've had it happen on my motorcycle.

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TIPS ON PUMPING GAS

I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in
California we are also paying higher, up to $4.50 per gallon. But my line
of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to
get more of your money's worth for
every gallon..


Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we
deliver about 4 million gallons in a 2 4-hour period thru the pipeline.
One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel , and gasoline, regular and
premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of
16,800,000 gallons.

Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground
temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their
storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense
the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the
afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the
petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the
gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays
an important role.

A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the
service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.

When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast
mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)stages: low,
middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby
minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at
the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some
other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being
sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting
less worth for your money.

One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF
FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your
tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster
than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating
roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the
atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here
where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that
every gallon is actually the exact amount.

Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage
tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline
is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up
some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help
you get the most value for your money.

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GK
 
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Knowing that the gas stations' tanks are underground where the temperature doesn't change much on a daily basis, contrary to what the article says, it makes me suspect the validity of the rest of the claims.
 
My mother sent me that a few months ago. It took a long reply to walk her through why she should ignore this one (and all the other urban myth-type emails that she gets).
 
How about a few actual gas saving tips?

Run all your errands at the same time instead of going to do one of them then coming home and then going out to do another. Car pool with a neighbor when going out to do the same things, going to get groceries, going to department stores. If you don't have to go out, don't.

Drive a little slower? Don't floor the gas pedal to get up to speed real quick. Do it a little slower. So it takes you an extra 5 seconds.

If you see a red light ahead, take your foot off the gas pedal and press in the clutch.
instead of having the engine running at a higher RPM using more gas, it will then run at idle speed only until you put it back in gear. If you can make it to the red light and it turns green before you stop, your car is already moving. I would think that is takes less gas to keep a car moving than it does to get one moving from a dead stop. Just an idea. Don't know if this will actually save any gas.

Don't let the kids take the car out to go "riding around". If they do this, have them fill it up. When they see how much it costs and more importantly, when the money is coming out of their pocket, they might not want to ride around any more.

Keep the tailgate on pickup trucks up. The wind coming over the top of the truck at first will create a pocket of swirling air in the bed causing the rest of the air to go right over. The guys at Mythbusters (a TV show here in the states) tried this in two Ford full size trucks and got a little better MPG with the tailgate up. They did it again using bed covers and a couple other things, but I didn't see that episode and can't find info on the results. Episode 64

Do a tune up on your car.

Get one of those magnetic do hickies that hang on the gas line of your vehicle....
Just kidding.
 
Originally posted by railrider1920

How about a few actual gas saving tips?


If you see a red light ahead, take your foot off the gas pedal and press in the clutch.
instead of having the engine running at a higher RPM using more gas, it will then run at idle speed only until you put it back in gear.

All good recommendations. But this one needs a little clarification. This is only accurate on carburated cars. On modern fuel injected cars it is better to take your foot off the gas and leave the clutch out because the computer will turn off all fuel flow to the engine in a deceleration situation. My car the "instantaneous fuel consumption" will go from 17MPG up to 200MPG, then 400MPG, then it will go to all ---- indicating "infinite mileage". As soon as I push in the clutch it drops back down to about 87MPG.

GK
 
Originally posted by railrider1920

How about a few actual gas saving tips?

By this I didn't mean to imply that mine were right on the money. Just asking for some actual tips that work.

Thanks for the info Greg. I am not mechanically inclined when it comes to my vehicles. I can see the computer turning off the gas to the engine in some situation, but why in a deceleration as you said? I can take my truck out of gear and roll to a stop and have the truck still running, just at an idle.
 
Say you are going down a hill and you take your foot completely off the gas pedal. Modern Fuel Injected cars will shut off all fuel to the engine and you will be using 0 gas for however far you coast. If you put your foot on the clutch then the computer will turn the gas back on enough to keep the car running at idle AND you will have to ride the brakes to slow you down thereby causing you to spend money on brake pad wear.

Same thing goes for coming to a stop at a stop light. The longer you can go with the car in gear and your foot off the gas the more gas you will save. Mind you, it won't be much, but every little bit counts at $4.50/gallon.

GK
 
:)Ride a bike, walk, skate board, rolerskate, or even just stay home and use up some of those extra blanks and kits--then you don't have to go to the nmall to shop for a gift!
 
Originally posted by sbell111

Quit your day job. You'll save all of the commuting costs.
I got let go from my previous job a little over 2 months ago. And I've been saving a lot on gas too.. But my wife started to drive more so any savings just evaporated....:(
 
Ensure tyres are inflated properly, avoid excessive breaking i.e drive at a speed where the car will roll to a stop if necessary, Remove roofracks when not in use. Switch off de-misters and heaters when windows are clear and the car is warm enough. The weight of the vehicle also affects consumption so anything heavy not needed in the vehicle should be removed
 
I've found the best thing I've been doing is leaving the keys on the hook and taking the mountain bike. It runs real strong for only having one dorkpower. Seriously, though, I'm saving a ton of gas lately, and it's really good for you. :)
 
I wouldn't mind cycling to work if it wasn't 13 miles away. By the time i'd get there i wouldn't have the energy to do anything:D:D
 
Originally posted by gketell

Say you are going down a hill and you take your foot completely off the gas pedal. Modern Fuel Injected cars will shut off all fuel to the engine and you will be using 0 gas for however far you coast. If you put your foot on the clutch then the computer will turn the gas back on enough to keep the car running at idle AND you will have to ride the brakes to slow you down thereby causing you to spend money on brake pad wear.

Same thing goes for coming to a stop at a stop light. The longer you can go with the car in gear and your foot off the gas the more gas you will save. Mind you, it won't be much, but every little bit counts at $4.50/gallon.

GK
Greg, are you sure about this?

If no fuel is going to the engine, then no combustion can occur and the engine will stop as the compression is still occuring. This wouldn't be coasting, but a sudden deceleration to a stop (think about what happens when push starting a Manual transmission car, even on a steep slope) In none of my modern vehicles (2000 Jeep TJ, 2001 Jeep XJ, 2002 Dodge Ram, 2003 Saturn Vue (later 3 being automatics)) does the engine speed ever drop below idle.

Now there are vehicles coming out now called "Mild Hybrids" that do something similar, but the vehicle must be at a stop before the engine is shut-off.

Another thought about what you said earlier is that one second of inifinte milage would distort the average so much as to be useless. I am assuming that your vehicle also show AVG MPG (I know my dodge did). I used to play with mine, watching the current mpg go into the 70's and up (really nice to see in a vehicle that averaged 15-17mpg) but the time being so short compared to those 12mpg moments kept it in check. But any average that includes infinity would be infinity since it's immeasurable.

While I agree with you that less fuel is used while coasting and that that is a good thing, some fuel IS being burned during coasting.
 
Originally posted by karlkuehn

...... It runs real strong for only having one dorkpower.......

Every once in a while, a moment of truth :D

Thanks Karl, I needed the laugh today. ;)
 
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