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That MOVE!!!

http://www.exoticblanks.com/videos/Alt ivory tutorial.wmv

EARLY renditions, camera is at 10:30 position to me, looking at the lathe.

I am open to comments about anything, here.

The tool is a 1" oval Sorby skew first, then the smaller is a 3/4" (there will be a note telling you when I switched).

Almost exactly one minute was cut out. Total remaining time is under THREE minutes.

Other questions, ask away!!
 
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My thanks to Dean (Alphageek) for the instructions that were SO simple, I could follow them.

Also to Jeff, this is NOT done to avoid putting vids on IAP. Let me get better, then we can add them here, if you wish. Right now, I think this is pretty primitive. I need feedback. The vid needs improvement. THEN we can post for all to see.

Where it is now, I can take it down and replace it easily (as long as I don't lose Dean's instructions), so evolution can be hastened (I hope!!)
 
Hi Ed; Did I get this correct, the skew is held nearly horizontal?, like a scraper!
 
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It kinda looks like the camera is more focused on the shavings rather then the blank but your technique is awesome. Glad to see I do something right for a change.
 
Don't want to make this too complicated but a two camera shoot would be an improvment. One camera more on the level of the skew and the overhead shot like it is now. It is hard to tell that the skew is nearly vertical just by watching the clip. The production could be "switched" as you go if you have the equipment or simply edited together as a post production step. It could also use a little more light I think. Good stuff. Keep it coming.
 
Interesting, I've never seen a skew sharpened that way before. How about calling it a "skwaper" instead?:biggrin::wink:
Just goes to show, well you know, all that stuff about skinning cats.:biggrin:
 
Great vid, Ed!
Just a few things, though...

I agree that the camera angle is a little out of sorts. Since the viewer doesn't have a point of reference, it is really hard to tell just what angle we are looking at the piece. A better location would be in front of the lathe off to the side (Similar to Ed Davidson's videos). Perhaps start with a wide, establishing shot, and then zoom in.

A narrative while turning would be awesome. Or a post-production voice-over would be really helpful, as listening to just the lathe humming along makes me sleepy...:sleepy:

The text on the video should be smaller and not covering the subject, whenever possible. It's also a little harder to read when the background is spinning! :bulgy-eyes:

But for a first video, you done good! Congrats, Ed, and keep 'em coming!!:highfive::bananen_smilies046:
 
Ed, thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching it. As others have noted, I found the camera angle uncomfortable. It looked like the picture was upside down. I think a better camera angle would be to position the camera behind you, to your right and about a foot higher than the blank. The text also got in the way. I know you are working with limited video editing software, but is it possible to position the text in a "dead area" of the image.
 
I would say that you need a lot more light. When I'm turning I use a 150w light right over the lathe (plus the normal shop lighting). And from what I know - which may not be accurate - you always need more light in video than you think you do.
 
Purpose and presentation

Thanks to everyone!!

I have tried the angle from the rear and find my hand gets in the way. Last night I positioned the camera over the headstock. Will work on that "film" this afternoon and try to post it later.

Read about "voice over" and I have all the equipment to do that, so may try that on the next one. Stay tuned and keep commenting.

Yes, Chris (Wishman) I AM going slower in the vids. IF I ever get this to the "professional" stage, I will make a 2 minute introduction that goes from blank to final shape, but that's really just "showin off". I hope to help people who have posted that Alternative Ivory is difficult to turn.

A) See this alternative ivory
B) See the edges taken off without shattering
C) See the center coming off in "Ribbons"
D) See the shape coming to the shape we want

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM???​
 
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Thanks to everyone!!

I have tried the angle from the rear and find my hand gets in the way. Last night I positioned the camera over the headstock. Will work on that "film" this afternoon and try to post it later.

Read about "voice over" and I have all the equipment to do that, so may try that on the next one. Stay tuned and keep commenting.

Yes, Chris (Wishman) I AM going slower in the vids. IF I ever get this to the "professional" stage, I will make a 2 minute introduction that goes from blank to final shape, but that's really just "showin off". I hope to help people who have posted that Alternative Ivory is difficult to turn.

A) See this alternative ivory
B) See the edges taken off without shattering
C) See the center coming off in "Ribbons"
D) See the shape coming to the shape we want

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM???​
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There is a difference between showing and teaching. If all you are after is so people can SEE that this can be done, a picture of a finished pen will do the trick. Since you have the word "tutorial" in the title of the video, I will presume that you want to try to TEACH. IMO it is difficult (at best) to see HOW you are accomplishing the things you listed above.
 
"IMO it is difficult (at best) to see HOW you are accomplishing the things you listed above."

Well, I had hoped a picture would be worth a thousand words.

What method do you think would be more effective??
 
ed4copies;773840 What method do you think would be more effective??[/quote said:
Got a more talented turner.
Get a more talented cameraman
Get a better camera:mad:

Just joking Ed.:wink:

I think you need to explain verbally on camera what should be done differently for alt ivory as apposed to any other resin. Heck, the lathe doesn't even need to be spinning to show how you hold the tool. As has been said, you can't tell how you are offering up the tool by the camera angle. I've never felt any need for different techniques for different material. ( But then I only use a round nosed scraper )Doesn't your alternate ivory already come in the round?

Of course, I appreciate that there isn't a lot of space in front of YOUR lathe, so why not just perch the camera on top of your belly:biggrin:
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ed4copies said:
Well, I had hoped a picture would be worth a thousand words.
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Or 1000 posts.....:wink:

All kidding aside... I agree with the comments above.

Different camera angle needed to see the tool presentation to the material.
Better focus.. (Kinda fuzzy)
Narration (but you said that is coming up....)
Are you going to cover any finishing techniques? (Sanding/polishing/etc.??)

Good start. I look forward to seeing more.
 
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Hey, Skippy!!!

Thanks for dropping in and giving some feedback!!!

I would connect the camera to my belly, but the longest rope I can find is only 100 yards - won't make it all the way around me.

Unfortunately, the camera has to stay where it is put and I don't have an "assistant" to zoom in and out. So, the trick will be to find the right combination.

As I said earlier, I am learning about "Voice over". So, the next version will have a soundtrack that will kill the sound of the lathe. I will also be playing with camera angles to try to find the best spot to stay "oriented" and still see the detail.

It will be fun. To those who continue to help I thank you!!!
 
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Or 1000 posts.....:wink:

All kidding aside... I agree with the comments above.

Different camera angle needed to see the tool presentation to the material.
Better focus.. (Kinda fuzzy)
Narration (but you said that is coming up....)
Are you going to cover any finishing techniques? (Sanding/polishing/etc.??)

Good start. I look forward to seeing more.
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I agree.

As for the camera angle, I suggest that you watch the "other" Ed's videos.
 
Thanks to both of you!!!

Keep viewing and critiquing.

We'll get it.

Yes, I will get a complete pen done someday. I think this is the part that is the most challenging to most turners. But, once I have a presentation that we all agree is moderately helpful, I will move on to the next phases.

Stay tuned and keep giving me feedback, please.
 
Oh, and Blind Squirrel, it never occurred to me that the soundtrack is particularly important to those of you who are still looking for your nuts. (visually impaired)
 
Cheeky sod!!

Blind_Squirrel said:
I am from Arizona (true fact), which means I am a ground squirrel, not a tree squirrel. Ground squirrels store food in their cheeks, often referred to as pockets. :biggrin:
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So, you are admitting to being a "Cheeky sod" as my friend Skippy calls me!!

Welcome to the "fraternity"!!
 
That WOULD be correct, Mudder,

Son Of Brown!!!
(and when I was growing up, it allowed lots of comments in the schoolyard - but now that would not be politically correct. I was born too early!!)
 
ed4copies said:
That WOULD be correct, Mudder,

Son Of Brown!!!
(and when I was growing up, it allowed lots of comments in the schoolyard - but now that would not be politically correct. I was born too early!!)
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2 out of 3 ain't bad Ed.
 
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