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OK, It seems that I have all the luck. I purchased a new computer 6 mos ago and have been quite pleased with it. I was worried about all the bad things I had heard about ms vista but my daughter, having just purchased hers, told me there was nothing to fear with the operating system for what we planned to do with it. Then yesterday I read where Microsoft is now promoting the best operating system on the planet called windows 7 and are now putting vista, and I supposed vista users, on the back burner. Has anyone heard whats going to happen to us?
 
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By many accounts Alex...7 is pretty

..but


...still


....useless.

It's hardly going to be the best OS on the planet judging by the beta reviews.



But what do I know (or care). I'm a "M" guy.
 
Then yesterday I read where Microsoft is now promoting the best operating system on the planet called windows 7 and are now putting vista, and I supposed vista users, on the back burner. Has anyone heard whats going to happen to us?

That is basically what they were promising with Vista 2 or 3 years ago. Who really believes them when they promise such things? Steve Ballmer is a marketing man. Gates was at least technical minded. What happens when Marketing drives sales and instead of Technicology driving sales? If something doesn't work well, Marketing Mindset will be the first to let go because of costs involved with support.

By the way, Window's 7 is not something that they just recently announced. It has been "out there" in discussions and planning for a while. They have just been tentative about announcing it formally in order to not take away from Vista sales, which haven't been as good as they thought. Many people have requested Window's XP and even paid more for XP than have Vista. So, they had to go ahead and announce Windows 7.
 
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LMAO!!!!! When I saw the title of your post, I clicked on it, with blood in my eye, because I thought it was a rant on the Sierra Vista kit, which I really like a lot! Okay, I'm now pacified, and everything's right with the world. BTW, I have XP.
 
Wow, I have three vista machines and various other machines with different os on them. I have so far never had any problems with the Vista machines and I am one them 24/7. If fact my wife has to remind me to reboot every now and then for the health of the computer. I still remember the ole blue screen of death from 98 or was that 3.1?
 
I'm still using Win98 and it serves my limited needs just fine!! Why pay big dollars for capability that i don't use or need? Do wish I had the 2nd addition as once or twice I have run into situations where 2 was needed and the original 98 wouldn't do; but I managed to work around it. Anyone out there still running with only a 6 Gig harddrive??:biggrin::biggrin:

One nice thing about using the old OS is that I don't worry about viruses and such. Nobody is worried about hacking into an OS that is 10 years old and for all practical purposes not being used any more!!
 
Windows XP can and does experience the BSOD (Blue Screen of Death)

Windows 98 was a fine OS, only problem for me was that Roland upgraded their plotter software to run on XP. The old software did not work in an XP Compatibility mode. The new software wouldn't run on Windows 98. The upgrade was mandatory to keep technical support, and cost $1500.
 
Vista will have a continued period of support after Windows 7 is released. Microsoft wil probably make the continued support period 3-5 years after the release of Windows 7 or until they think the user base is small enough that support is too costly.

I wouldn't worry about it until about 2014. By then, you'll probably need another computer.
 
Alex, they will do the same as they have on all the other previous new versions. Tell us where we can buy it. Other than service packs I don't think they have ever offered a free upgrade. Until I am convinced it is better than XP this is where I will stay.
 
I'm on Vista and I'm not so fond of it, apparently MicroSoft isn't so fond of it either. On Saturday, Jan 10, they released the beta version of 7 for downloads. 7 is available for download to the first 2.4 million requestors and I understand that the site was almost immediately overloaded.
Vista requires an upgraded processor for XP users, and it has a terrible time dealing with thousands of third party software packages that worked fine on XP and earlier systems. Vista has been poor selling because of the 3rd party software problems. The compatibility problems were so great that MS continued to sell XP after releasing Vista, users have been waiting for it to be upgraded for greater compatibility before buying it. It seems to me that with the release of 7, and with the instant demand, that Vista is on the way out the door quickly. I'm not expecting to get a free upgrade and I don't expect the service packs to make it much better.
 
I'm on Vista and I'm not so fond of it, apparently MicroSoft isn't so fond of it either. On Saturday, Jan 10, they released the beta version of 7 for downloads. 7 is available for download to the first 2.4 million requestors and I understand that the site was almost immediately overloaded.
Vista requires an upgraded processor for XP users, and it has a terrible time dealing with thousands of third party software packages that worked fine on XP and earlier systems. Vista has been poor selling because of the 3rd party software problems. The compatibility problems were so great that MS continued to sell XP after releasing Vista, users have been waiting for it to be upgraded for greater compatibility before buying it. It seems to me that with the release of 7, and with the instant demand, that Vista is on the way out the door quickly. I'm not expecting to get a free upgrade and I don't expect the service packs to make it much better.

My machine runs XP, but sounds like Vista is going the way ME did... When ME came out just before XP (I think) it was touted as the next best thing etc etc... no one like it and supposedly had lots of problems with it. My company bought me an e-Machine PC for my operations (I was a separate operation from the main function of the company) - the only PC in operations... The boss had state of the art laptop for his use and his secretary had a top line PC, but everyone else used dumb terminals tied to the Unix HP main server... I used my PC for nearly 5 years, with no problems... never had any downtime or trouble with connecting anywhere. Because of my reports to Department of Commerce, Customs and such I linked to governmental sites constantly with no problems. Personally, I think as Microsoft adds bells & whistles, they degrade the quality of their products. No one liked the e-Machine either, but I thought it did a great job. I'm using a Dell now, and not particularly happy with it.. should have stuck with the e-Machine. Most of the time, the Dell does what it's supposed to, but sometimes I run a Poker program to just play on the computer and the fans come on and the thing sounds like a Cessna getting ready to take off.
 
I guess the reason for the post, besides a vent, was to find out if anyone has heard what MS is going to do about upgrades for vista owners.

Upgrades? Basically the upgrade path is the same as usual, buy the next version of the operating system. I have 2 vista systems here, and they run pretty good for thier specific purposes, but I cant really take them out of that realm and into my real world needs, at least reliably. There's alot of reasons why there are so many problems software/hardware wise that cant be blamed solely on microsoft, but by the same token they sure didnt help matters either. They seemed to be expecting too much conformity on the user end and not enough adaptability on thier end, realizing that people rely on thier computers more than ever nowadays, and dont have time to learn a new way of thinking and doing things. This was a big reason why they had to let Dell and other mfrs. offer an XP alternative as opposed to thier initial goal of forcing them to use Vista. Also, you need pretty beefy systems to take advantage of Vista (which is supposed to be being scaled back on windows 7), and with the economy is the way it is, upgrading a computer that you just bought two years ago that works fine just to run thier new OS is not an appealing option. As far as the comment about it being like ME, thankfully it's not THAT bad, but they definitely left a bad taste in most people's mouth on this one. Just my .02
 
I think most people's problem with the e-machines is that when they first came out, they were basically cobbled together with whatever left over technology wasnt being used anymore that the co. bought on surplus. I remember people at work buying them and bringing them in so I could set it up for them to work at home, and opening them up to find alot of the same stuff I was throwing away from older machines I upgraded on the floor. That didnt mean they or the parts werent reliable, just people associated that with junk, as opposed to recycling usable parts. I think out of the 10 or 12 people that had bought them, I only had to work on 1 from the hardware aspect. They were fine machines as long as you knew it's purpose. Sure, it wasnt going to play the latest games, but for the 2 or 300 dollars they cost, you shouldnt blame the company for that.

I was at the conference for ME before it came out and went back to the office with it a couple of weeks before it was released. Of course I had to play with it and set up a test machine in the lab, and it was laughable. I remember thinking to myself "this is great if you JUST want to do everything they showed on the projectors at the conference, but dont go outside that box!" Vista is a bit better than that, but definitely fell short of it's expectations to take over the computer world. As far as them adding bells and whistles, the problem is that they add them on thier terms, not your needs. Vista Media Center is great, but they had to lock it down in stupid area's that made no sense and force people to come out with hacks to make it usable. Then there's the whole "ok, it seems like a good product, let's drop support for it and move on to something else" attitude that comes along with it. Oh well, enough of my rant.


My machine runs XP, but sounds like Vista is going the way ME did... When ME came out just before XP (I think) it was touted as the next best thing etc etc... no one like it and supposedly had lots of problems with it. My company bought me an e-Machine PC for my operations (I was a separate operation from the main function of the company) - the only PC in operations... The boss had state of the art laptop for his use and his secretary had a top line PC, but everyone else used dumb terminals tied to the Unix HP main server... I used my PC for nearly 5 years, with no problems... never had any downtime or trouble with connecting anywhere. Because of my reports to Department of Commerce, Customs and such I linked to governmental sites constantly with no problems. Personally, I think as Microsoft adds bells & whistles, they degrade the quality of their products. No one liked the e-Machine either, but I thought it did a great job. I'm using a Dell now, and not particularly happy with it.. should have stuck with the e-Machine. Most of the time, the Dell does what it's supposed to, but sometimes I run a Poker program to just play on the computer and the fans come on and the thing sounds like a Cessna getting ready to take off.
 
So what problems should I be looking for. So far every program that I ran on my old XP runs great on Vista. Not that I am looking for problems.

There are thousands of 3rd party packages that may or may not run on Vista without modifications. On the 125 PCs in my shop I have a manufacturing management system, a customer contact management system, financial accounting package, Corel draw, automated back-up and recovery system, and several others that would have to be upgraded to run on Vista. On my personal use machine there are four printer drivers, two of them, including the one just outside my office door do not work with Vista, everytime I walk the 50 yards or so over the next nearest printer I say a few harsh words about Bill Gates--so far he hasn't responded.
 
the dowload site being swamped doesn't mean anything really. Just that every psudo-hacker jumped in to see what it looks liked. Most of them probably run Linux as their main system anyway.
 
I thought that MS-7 was for things like Blackberrys, that it was supposed to take the place of Windo$e CE , I've got XP home on one system and XP pro on another, I don't have any trouble with either. Windo$ Makro$haft, is still way behind the curve.
 
As far as them adding bells and whistles, the problem is that they add them on thier terms, not your needs.

Donald,
Back in early '83 I went into business with a couple of partners. Mostly in the early '80's the forwarding business was run with a typewriter and telex machine, not computers, but the computer age was dawning. My operating partner and I both came from a company that had already seen the future and was developing their own packing program to track purchase orders, receive freight and pack it, then produce packing lists and shipping documents.

When we started our company, John and I wanted something along the same lines, so we hired a young programmer to help us. We gave him a whole list of parameters that we needed and what we wanted the program to do, approximately what we wanted the documents to look like and such. Every week he would come in with a new "cool" idea for the program that he thought was just what we needed... we would explain we didn't want that, it doesn't serve any purpose for use, it didn't provide information our customers wanted or needed. He would then stick it into the program and try to sell us that it was just the thing.... never mind that it didn't work or wasn't needed, or wanted...

Later when I was involved with the purchase of other computer programs as other companies, we would get all of these "bells and whistles" in the programs... nothing really worked as proposed, few of the things didn't work at all ("they were in "beta" and would have the bugs edited out before the programs was released")... some of the ideas required twice the amount of time and effort to produce a documents than to just type or fill in blocks.. we would have "databases" of info that we could "automatically" fill in shipper's names and addresses, destinations, consignees name and address, rates, etc.... things that most often changed each time a new shipment was generated. These people would actually get offended if you wanted to take some function out that they thought was the cat's meow... Often times, the steps involved in accessing these "databases" were complex and involved and took longer than just typing the information into the form.

When TWA first went computerized in 1974-75 they bought a 'canned' cargo program from Alitalia airlines... the initial set up required multiple sign-in / sign-out's to do a single airway bill...
1. Sign-in to open the awb - enter the awb number. / sign out
2. sign-in - add the shipper name and address / sign out
3. sign-in - add the consignee and destination / sign out
3. sign-in - add the pieces and weights, rate categories, commodities and rates / sign out
4. sign-in - route the waybill - move it to outbound manifest / sign out
5. sign-in - dispatch the shipment - electronically to destination / sign out
6. sign-in at destination - receive the manifest inbound from origin station / sign out
7. sign-in - locate freight in warehouse / sign out
etc etc.... this is not much of an exageration... it took forever to work a single awb before they finally got some of the work re-programmed. Some of these functions still were no finished when I left the airlines in Aug of '76.

Before the computer, I could take an awb, roll it into a typewriter, fill it out, rate it, manifest it, put the manifest on a flight in 10 minutes.

As Art Buckholtz once said, "computers makes it easier to do some things, but problem is some the things don't need to be done"

BTW, I love computers... they are fun and I enjoy the access they afford to the world. I just wish I had taken the time to learn more about them.
 
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Don't worry about Windows 7......just run with Vista! I've been running Vista since it was Beta and I love it! Just because Microsoft comes out with a new O/S doesn't mean that you have to go out and buy it. Unless you need or want what's new in the new O/S.....stay with what you have!

If what you are running now works for you.....stay with it! You sure don't need a super computer to type e-mails!!! LOL


Barney :bananen_smilies035:
 
Yeah, I know all to well how this goes. The problem is that alot of programmers <not all> like to show off and how snazzy they can make it without thinking of who will be using it. As a technical supervisor I've had many a programmer that I had to take to task because it was so convoluted, but it made perfect sense to them. They would want to add all of this stuff at one time and sort out the problems and interactions later, and most of the problems never were revisited. I actually had to sit down and write a time tracking program because the one the programmer wrote took the techs longer to put the entry in than most of the jobs took! Not to mention it took him a month to write something unusable, and I took about 10 hours for something that everyone loved. But from thier POV, most of them that I've dealt with, this was thier life, and one of the few things they would get recognition in, so it was thier opportunity to take the world by storm :)

it didn't provide information our customers wanted or needed. He would then stick it into the program and try to sell us that it was just the thing.... never mind that it didn't work or wasn't needed, or wanted...

Later when I was involved with the purchase of other computer programs as other companies, we would get all of these "bells and whistles" in the programs... nothing really worked as proposed, few of the things didn't work at all ("they were in "beta" and would have the bugs edited out before the programs was released")... some of the ideas required twice the amount of time and effort to produce a documents than to just type or fill in blocks.. .
 
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If what you are running now works for you.....stay with it! You sure don't need a super computer to type e-mails!!! LOL Barney :bananen_smilies035:

How very true!! With these new operating systems, an awful lot of people are paying for functionality they don't need and will never use.:frown:
 
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