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I was standing in the computer repair line at Best Buy last night waiting to purchase a memory chip for a computer. The individual in front of me turned and stated that he was upset because he had returned what looked like a HD DVD player and Best Buy had sent it off for repair. The individual commented that not too long ago, you could just bring in something that was broken and they would give you a brand new one as a replacement. He was upset they sent his off without giving him a new one. I just kept guiet and let him rant.

This reminded me of a couple of conversations I had with vendors last week as I ordered items from them.

One vendor spoke of how he noticed customers asking for replacement parts because of one isue or another. The customer kept calling back getting different parts until the customer could eventually build an entire new item.

A second vendor commented on people asking for samples. When he tried checking with them about making purchases, the "customer" ignored his efforts at contacts.

I regularly see where someone has commented on a vendor that didn't do what was felt as "the right thing". The vendor may not have replaced an item or part when the customer felt the vendor should have.

I also see where we as a community have come to expect the freebie when we order something. We place orders with those vendors that include something extra so we feel we got more than was expected.

I have a true appreciation for the approach many vendors must take when refusing to make an exchange when a customer expects something should be done.

I'll give an example....

You've sold a fountain pen to a customer that now wants warranty service. Your examination reveals that the customer has abused the nib and of course the ink won't flow correctly. The nib appears to have had too much pressure placed on the tip and the tines are bent out of shape. This problem could be worsened if the nib was a gold special one costing in the $90-100 range.

The customer expects you to replace the nib at no charge because you didn't provide a nib that would withstand his abuse or you didn't provide adequate usage instructions.

Do you replace it? Maybe you do just to keep the customer happy because you want to maintain good customer relationships.

Then the customer comes back a few weeks later and wants the nib replaced again.

What do you do this time?

This same scenario plays out with our vendors regularly. They are approached by someone saying the part was defective when it was actually the customer's fault. Claims are made that parts were not included in the bag when the customer actually lost the part. Blanks are destroyed because the skill level of the turner weren't adequate for that type of material.

Many of our vendors have to set stringent rules to help protect their business from being abused. Those that don't have those rules may be just a few more abuses from having to set those rules.

I've been amazed at the comments made over the last few months about how one vendor or another has not provided the service that was expected. We then see that the feeling about the vendor is publicized across our community in hopes of collecting other feelings against the vendor, maybe expecting the vendor to cave in to the expectations.

We also see where the expectation is that every vendor provide what would amount to be free shipping to get our products to us. No matter the size of the order, it should go out as first class postage. It should also have insurance provided at no cost to ensure it is delivered to the correct address. The package should also have a signature to verify delivery. Oh, if we do that someone complains because they weren't home to accept the package because a signature was required.

I personally have come to expect one thing...I receive the goods I ordered in a timely manner and without damage. If I need the items quickly, I pay a premium for delivery. I don't expect freebies but I appreciate them when received. I can't say I've seen anything free in most orders I make except for a free catalog to order more.

In my 10 years of making pens and other items, I've seen a few vendors that offered pen making supplies leave for one reason or another. We need each of our vendors as each provides a service we can tap as needed.

Okay, I've said my peace. I fully expect to catch flak...my military training taught me how to dodge the bullets. I just felt someone needed to step forward and defend our vendors. :neutral:
 
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In the few posts that I have read where I have noticed a member trying to rally the troops to his defense to coerce a vendor it has usually backfired.
 
Rick, the whole problem stems from "The customer is always right" . That's total BS. I manage a very busy store. We on average do $10,000 - $15,000 a day selling Automotive parts. I see this crap everyday. People bringing back Battery's they bought. They assume it's bad cause there car won't start. Turns out it's probably their alternator. Now they want it discounted cause you sold them a part they didn't need. Also people always bit^%ing about the prices. Their comment is always, "This was alot cheaper 5 years ago". No kidding, so was gas, now it's like $10.00 a gallon.

As for vendors, i've only had one bad company to deal with. It was Woodcraft. When I was looking to buy my first lathe, I settled on the Rikon 70-100. I went to my local Woodcraft to buy it. The salesman tells me,"We don't carry that junk"!! This was 1 1/2 years ago. It's in their flyers, but they don't carry it in the store. Pissed me off. Now last month I go in the same store. Low and Behold they got tons of Rikon stuff everywhere. The same salesman tells me again they are still junk!!

Sorry for the crazy rant. Had a rough week.
 
I only have the highest praise for the service from CSUSA ,I bought a couple of Lotus fountain pens on runout just before xmas, turned out one of them had a faulty Nib, one of the tynes was bent at almost right angles, I sent them a picture and was expecting a replacement nib,they sent a complete kit instead, In another instance the rodium plating was deteriating on a nib section ,they had no more kits ,so refunded the full cost ,I was able to use a nib section from a different kit to get the customer on their happy way ,can't ask more than that for service , cheers ~ John
 
Service

Most small vendors (if they're half-smart) are selling service. I sell a commodity item(s), my customers don't need to buy from me, they can buy anywhere they want. That being the case I have to sell the customer something that everyone can't offer... fast personal service. I have two rules for dealing with the customer.

Rule 1. The customer is always right.
Rule 2. When the customer is wrong, refer to rule 1.

I ship only USPS but all items go either first class or priority mail which take about the same time to arrive at their destination. I don't offer "fast" shipping.
 
Smitty,
I you believe rule #1, you're only a few abuses away from setting another rule. What do you do when you realize a customer keeps calling back claiming they were shorted some of their delivery? Do you keep sending whatever they claim us short?
 
On the flip side of this coin, you have some vendors who have forgotten how to take care of their customers. In their eyes the customer is always wrong and is a bother when they contact them. Maybe that vendor has gotten burned one to many times but to me that is no excuse.

I worked 7 years at a retail counter selling parts. Even if we had a customer from hell, we were told to smile and give them great service. It was even worse when dealing with our commercial accounts. We had to practically worship them so that they wouldn't go to a different company and buy parts.

My point to all of this is that the vendors that provide excellent service and don't make the customers jump through hoops is the one that will keep the customers coming back for a long time.

BTW - I had a customer that purchased quite a few pens from me, most of them over $100 each. However she was one of the most difficult people to deal with. I was constantly doing stuff for her to make her happy because she bought more off of me then anyone else. The straw that broke the camel's back as they say, was another vendor that worked with me on a pen for her. The vendor did not know how to take care of customers and therefore somehow really ticked her off to the point that she refused to buy from me anymore. That vendor cost me a $1000 a year repeat customer! You have to take care of the customer!
 
I guess I am too much of an honest guy. I if something is broken, I expect it to be repaired. I do not expect a new one. If the parts guy sells me a wrong part based on my description, fine, best thing I expect is take it back without a restock fee.

But yes, I agree more and more people are expecting something for nothing. Heck last year we had someone purchase a steel stove and the manufacturer failed in their quality check as there was a small 1/2" gap around the flue collar, thus letting a tiny bit of smoke into the room when the stove first was lit (& the flue was not warm ye to establish proper draft) We offered to get the stove repaired and no problem, instead the customer called their lawyer and tried to sue us and the manufacturer as the smoke was aggravating their sinuses. Long story short, the customer lost. The manufacturer repaired the defect and the customer lost my old store's willingness to service the stove again.:eek:

I think service goes with the customer's attitude. I tread nice people with the best service as I want them to continue to do business with me. But those that are demanding and rude (abusive) , the least as I really don't want their business. In one of my previous jobs, I kicked people out of the store for being rude losing a potential $5000 - 7000 sale, when the owner asked what happened I explained and got praise. (I try to work for good people):biggrin:

Such a shame people can be so damn rude and it is getting worse and worse:frown:
 
My best friend still works at the store that I worked for. His personality is one that he has a very low tolerance for people in general. He is constantly ticking off customers and getting complaints send into corporate about him. But he is doing the minimum requirements so he keeps his job (over 10 years now).

My point is the customers are not the only ones that can be rude and difficult, sometimes the vendors are worse then the rudest customer.
 
"I also see where we as a community have come to expect the freebie when we order something. "
Now you know This was started by Ed and Dawn!!!! Its all their fault with the Yippiieee's...LOL.

On a serious note you are correct and some of the larger box stores still cater to the person who abuses things like chain saws and weed eaters they will take them back no questions and give replacements or refunds..I see the reasoning but hate the game!!!
 
"I also see where we as a community have come to expect the freebie when we order something. "
Now you know This was started by Ed and Dawn!!!! Its all their fault with the Yippiieee's...LOL.

On a serious note you are correct and some of the larger box stores still cater to the person who abuses things like chain saws and weed eaters they will take them back no questions and give replacements or refunds..I see the reasoning but hate the game!!!


I disagree, actually Bill Baumbeck "Arizona Silhouette" was sending out freebies with a minimum purchase way before Exoticblanks was in business, and so was Beartooth woods, All I expect or want from a vendor is a decent product at a fair price, I throw some extra stuff like crews for inserts or something like that, but I think the main thing I want from a vendor is service, not freebies. I want someone at the other end of the phone when there is a problem or at least that will respond to an email. and I order a lot from company's that don't give freebies. just good service, I'm not saying I don't appreciate the freebies, cause I do, but I appreciate a friendly vendor even more that's why I'll order from Berea Hardwoods before I will from Arizona Silhouette and it's too bad he has a few pens I really like.
 
Interesting thread.

I had a special order for bassoon reed cases last fall from a university aged student in Australia. He ordered four cases, and they were made from: Zebrawood, Cocobolo, Redheart, and Rosewood - all expensive. Less than two months after he received them, he claimed that they were warping badly, the brass hinges were rusting badly, and one had developed cracks.

I've been making reed cases for over 10 years, and I've repaired a few (they were all severely neglected, but for a small charge I replace components and refinish), but never seen anything like this kid described - especially after only two months of use.

I pointed him to my website which says:

"Care and Treatment of Your Cases

Keep in mind that all reed cases are made from wood and finished in lacquer - not varnish or polyurethane. Some bassoonists and oboists like to store their reeds that have been soaking in water for a long period of time directly in the reed case. I do not recommend storing bassoon and oboe reeds in these cases while the reeds are completely saturated and/or dripping with water. Lacquer is quite protective and is a professional quality wood sealant, but if it is repeatedly exposed to water that is left to sit on the finish, the lacquer seal will eventually fail, and the wood will age quickly. Over time, the wood will become compromised. I recommend making sure that any reeds that are soaking wet are not stored in the case until they dry out a bit.
Certainly no water should be in direct contact with the lacquer. "

It goes on to say:

"There is no stated or implied warranty associated with any of the products I manufacture. After receiving the product, it is up to the customer to visually inspect the product to be sure that no damage has occurred during shipment. If the item was shipped without insurance and the item was lost, the manufacturer and distributor is not responsible for replacing the item. If insurance was paid, replacement of the item or refunding of the payment for the item can take 90 days or longer. In a recent shipment via the US Postal Service, an item was "lost" and then, after 60 days, was mysteriously found and delivered by the shipper only after a claim had been filed by me (at the 60 day point)! Therefore, regardless of the time involved, any products purchased from this company may not be replaced or refunded until the claim has been paid in full by the shipper to me. If additional services that include a guaranteed delivery date, such as Express Delivery or Second Day Air, are used, they must be paid for by the customer. In these cases, items that are lost will be replaced or refunded in a timely manner, often within a few weeks of the claim for loss.

Defective merchandise can be exchanged item for item or repaired provided that the defective merchandise is returned to me for my inspection and that the merchandise is indeed deemed to be defective. If the item is returned and, through the inspection process, I determine that the product has been misused or damaged by the customer, a replacement item will not be authorized. The customer is expected to have read all information at this website that deals with correct care and maintenance of products I sell.

All returns must be shipped pre-paid unless prior arrangements are made with me. Shipping of defective merchandise back to the customer will be the responsibility of the customer. Shipping charges are not refundable nor can I accept any returns on custom orders (for example, reed cases made from wood other than oak, birch or maple).

I do recommend that you package the item(s) securely with appropriate bubble wrap or some other protective packing material, insure your package and send it via a trackable carrier such as FedEx, Express or Priority Mail and/or UPS. I am not responsible for lost or damaged shipments being returned to me. "

I offered to refinish the cases and do repair work, and I reminded him of the above. I never heard from him again.

I had one customer (a music student at another university) complain that the plastic tube I sent the baton in was too flimsy and as he was putting the cap back on it, it bent in half and the baton snapped in two. He wanted me to replace the baton.

I had a customer claim a baton was not balanced properly and he sent it back for a different one. I sent a new one, and he claimed it never arrived - despite my tracking number that said it had. He told me I had an obligation to be sure it got to him.

You are dealing with the public - and most of the public is honest and thoughtful. But, you have to have a strong sense of right and wrong and do what is best for your business and for you. I don't mind making a new wood shaft baton - it costs me about 30 minutes of time and almost nothing in terms of materials. But I can't replace graphite batons or special order reed cases.

Last example:

A "higher up" at one of the prime, major symphony orchestras, contacted me to make a baton for the head maestro. I was honored. I told her to send me a photocopy of the baton so that I could copy it exactly (shape wise). She did and I did.

Three months later, she contacted me to let me know that the maestro had not selected my baton as one to use, so could she return it for a full refund? It was a special order, graphite baton - made to fit - an unusual length and handle style - and the answer was - no. She was very polite in her response. I guess she was just inquiring. I think that exchange, while unusual, was very reasonable - she was hoping that they could get money back - worth asking anyway.

My thinking on the whole thing is this:

Rule number 1 - the customer is usually right.

Rule number 2 - when the customer is wrong, let them know politely and move on.

Best,
Roger Garrett
 
Unfortunately there needs to be a blend of the customer is always right and the customer is sometimes right, having worked with the public since I was 10, trained by old school instructors that believed "the customer signs your paycheck" you bent over back words for them, yes you will get taken advantage of but you will have a much stronger customer backing if you believe and treat customers like this. I am sick and tired of going into businesses that do not teach customer service in my opinion, I do not have to give you my money, so treat me with respect or I will go somewhere else. I was recently in a Large retail store were the clerk could not figure out how to make change for a 100 dollar bill, she had put 10 dollars into the register and it keep asking her to collect more, this went on for 10 minutes (I timed it) she finally had to ask another clerk who was probably in her 80s how to make change for a 100 dollar bill.
 
I worked 7 years at a retail counter selling parts. Even if we had a customer from hell, we were told to smile and give them great service. It was even worse when dealing with our commercial accounts. We had to practically worship them so that they wouldn't go to a different company and buy parts.

Sounds like the same place I work at. Make the customers happy at all costs. Even if they are totally wrong and ripping you off.
 
Yes

Smitty,
I you believe rule #1, you're only a few abuses away from setting another rule. What do you do when you realize a customer keeps calling back claiming they were shorted some of their delivery? Do you keep sending whatever they claim us short?

I have an unconditional return policy. I am not a floor mat but to be honest I have had no one who has repeated as to making claims. I do have a "do not sell to" list which is mostly people who bought but did not pay. But, if I had reason to believe someone was trying to take advantage of my return policy I would add them to the list. Same for lost in the mail--once I'll replace the items, twice I'll replace the item but not sell to the offender again. International....I'll issue a refund but won't sell to the buyer again and perhaps stop shipping to that country.
 
It may just be the places I shop. I know I have my favored places and do not tend to shop at pawn shops etc. But I am far more often amazed at what vendors will do to make a situation right.
There are bad seeds on both side of the issue though. Customers that will rip of suppliers and suppliers that have no regard to customer relations. I know for me that when I run into a supplier that jsut does not seem right to me I avoid them. That does nto mean a vendor that made a mistake. some just come across as, well less than comforting I will say. I would add Ed and Dawn in here as a vendor. but they ain't vendors, they's friends. That sort of stuff is in a catagory all it's own.
 
Old sales seminars said one unhappy customer will tell 19 people, a happy customer MAY tell one person.

With the internet, web sites are set up to "trash" companies because one flier was not treated as well as (s)he thought appropriate. This type of "feedback" can cost that airline millions in lost revenue.

A little different take on the IAP--HERE, people like to tell you when they find a product they LIKE. So, making that little "extra effort" MAY be publicized.!!!

FOR ME!! I find most who call with problems, are very reasonable--they do NOT EXPECT you to GIVE away stuff. They usually start by saying they realize THEY made a mistake. If I can help them FIX that mistake, we both gain!!


AND, I like to think the ability to give you sound turning advice differentiates us from those who can't do this.

STRICTLY FROM MY experience since Dec 2008, the "universe" of pen turners is not demanding. Overall, we are a pretty forgiving group, ready to be responsible for the mistakes we make.

I like the answer Rick (beck) gave. He likes to be loyal to his sources. I hope we will develop a group of folks who feel that same allegiance to us over the next decade.

And, no, our efforts to surpass your expectations are not, as someone said the other day, a "pricing strategy". Our prices are industry competitive, with no regard to the "freebee-yippee".

That's my opinion and recent experience with IAP members. I can honestly say I have had NO negative experiences--or unreasonable DEMANDS. I like you guys and I understand "turning frustrations"!!

Afterthought: I have also "missed" many emails and PM's. Sometimes a couple from ONE person. Yet, when we make contact, courtesy prevails---no "name calling" or "you're ignoring me" attitude. This is a very understanding group.
 
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Interesting thread.

I had a special order for bassoon reed cases last fall from a university aged student in Australia. He ordered four cases, and they were made from: Zebrawood, Cocobolo, Redheart, and Rosewood - all expensive. Less than two months after he received them, he claimed that they were warping badly, the brass hinges were rusting badly, and one had developed cracks.

I've been making reed cases for over 10 years, and I've repaired a few (they were all severely neglected, but for a small charge I replace components and refinish), but never seen anything like this kid described - especially after only two months of use.

I pointed him to my website which says:

"Care and Treatment of Your Cases

Keep in mind that all reed cases are made from wood and finished in lacquer - not varnish or polyurethane. Some bassoonists and oboists like to store their reeds that have been soaking in water for a long period of time directly in the reed case. I do not recommend storing bassoon and oboe reeds in these cases while the reeds are completely saturated and/or dripping with water. Lacquer is quite protective and is a professional quality wood sealant, but if it is repeatedly exposed to water that is left to sit on the finish, the lacquer seal will eventually fail, and the wood will age quickly. Over time, the wood will become compromised. I recommend making sure that any reeds that are soaking wet are not stored in the case until they dry out a bit.
Certainly no water should be in direct contact with the lacquer. "

It goes on to say:

"There is no stated or implied warranty associated with any of the products I manufacture. After receiving the product, it is up to the customer to visually inspect the product to be sure that no damage has occurred during shipment. If the item was shipped without insurance and the item was lost, the manufacturer and distributor is not responsible for replacing the item. If insurance was paid, replacement of the item or refunding of the payment for the item can take 90 days or longer. In a recent shipment via the US Postal Service, an item was "lost" and then, after 60 days, was mysteriously found and delivered by the shipper only after a claim had been filed by me (at the 60 day point)! Therefore, regardless of the time involved, any products purchased from this company may not be replaced or refunded until the claim has been paid in full by the shipper to me. If additional services that include a guaranteed delivery date, such as Express Delivery or Second Day Air, are used, they must be paid for by the customer. In these cases, items that are lost will be replaced or refunded in a timely manner, often within a few weeks of the claim for loss.

Defective merchandise can be exchanged item for item or repaired provided that the defective merchandise is returned to me for my inspection and that the merchandise is indeed deemed to be defective. If the item is returned and, through the inspection process, I determine that the product has been misused or damaged by the customer, a replacement item will not be authorized. The customer is expected to have read all information at this website that deals with correct care and maintenance of products I sell.

All returns must be shipped pre-paid unless prior arrangements are made with me. Shipping of defective merchandise back to the customer will be the responsibility of the customer. Shipping charges are not refundable nor can I accept any returns on custom orders (for example, reed cases made from wood other than oak, birch or maple).

I do recommend that you package the item(s) securely with appropriate bubble wrap or some other protective packing material, insure your package and send it via a trackable carrier such as FedEx, Express or Priority Mail and/or UPS. I am not responsible for lost or damaged shipments being returned to me. "

I offered to refinish the cases and do repair work, and I reminded him of the above. I never heard from him again.

I had one customer (a music student at another university) complain that the plastic tube I sent the baton in was too flimsy and as he was putting the cap back on it, it bent in half and the baton snapped in two. He wanted me to replace the baton.

I had a customer claim a baton was not balanced properly and he sent it back for a different one. I sent a new one, and he claimed it never arrived - despite my tracking number that said it had. He told me I had an obligation to be sure it got to him.

You are dealing with the public - and most of the public is honest and thoughtful. But, you have to have a strong sense of right and wrong and do what is best for your business and for you. I don't mind making a new wood shaft baton - it costs me about 30 minutes of time and almost nothing in terms of materials. But I can't replace graphite batons or special order reed cases.

Last example:

A "higher up" at one of the prime, major symphony orchestras, contacted me to make a baton for the head maestro. I was honored. I told her to send me a photocopy of the baton so that I could copy it exactly (shape wise). She did and I did.

Three months later, she contacted me to let me know that the maestro had not selected my baton as one to use, so could she return it for a full refund? It was a special order, graphite baton - made to fit - an unusual length and handle style - and the answer was - no. She was very polite in her response. I guess she was just inquiring. I think that exchange, while unusual, was very reasonable - she was hoping that they could get money back - worth asking anyway.

My thinking on the whole thing is this:

Rule number 1 - the customer is usually right.

Rule number 2 - when the customer is wrong, let them know politely and move on.

Best,
Roger Garrett

Don't take this as an attack saying that you are wrong, it's not. Having said that, when I see T & Cs like those above. I go somewhere else to buy.
 
In real life, i'm a service manager at a boat marina. I'm constantly dealing with multiple vendors and also act as a vendor to multiple shops and mechanics.
I constantly have shady characters coming out of the woodwork, trying to get something for nothing, or weaseling us for free work/parts/etc

I think because of my experience through work, I find myself being very loyal to vendors in my personal life.. ie, here on IAP.
Just as an example, let's use Ernie at Beartooth.. That guy is GREAT. He has average prices (unless he's having a sale, then his prices are great!) but its his customer service and attention to detail that keep me coming back to him. I've never had a problem with an order, after placing the order I always get a personal email from him with an appreciative response letting me know when my order is being shipped, the product is always perfect, etc etc.

That's the difference to me. When you take care of me as a customer (and i'm not saying "give me freebies or special deals"), then I am much more likely to be loyal to you as a vendor and in turn, I will keep coming back.
 
I am thrilled with the service I get from my suppliers, and I try and treat my customers in the same fashion, I buy from the vendor that offers me the best Service, Product and Price, those are the only criteria I use when I order, occasionally I will pay a bit more for the sake of service, I am happy to state I have never had a unpleasant transaction with ANY of the vendors associated with the IAP even if the company nor it's owner no longer support the site, but the reason I don't order from that company is mainly the attitude of the owner of that company. I will say that I have over paid on an occasion, but that was my fault for buying a pig in a polk, and not getting more information about the amount of wood for the agreed on price so that falls on me for forgetting the prime caveat.
I was brought up in retail/service family owned business, I still believe that the customer satisfaction is rule number one, Most of the people I do business with on a regular basis obviously believe the same, if they didn't I wouldn't continue dealing with them. Some people are arrogant enough to think they are above the rules of common courtesy in business, Good for them, I can't afford to deal with them nor act like them, sadly it seems to be a growing trend, some act as if they are doing their customers a favor by allowing the customer to conduct business with them, OK good for them! Not good for me.
 
I have an unconditional return policy. I am not a floor mat but to be honest I have had no one who has repeated as to making claims. I do have a "do not sell to" list which is mostly people who bought but did not pay. But, if I had reason to believe someone was trying to take advantage of my return policy I would add them to the list. Same for lost in the mail--once I'll replace the items, twice I'll replace the item but not sell to the offender again. International....I'll issue a refund but won't sell to the buyer again and perhaps stop shipping to that country.

Good policy - I think you have a good solution for your business!

Best,
Roger Garrett
 
Don't take this as an attack saying that you are wrong, it's not. Having said that, when I see T & Cs like those above. I go somewhere else to buy.

No - I don't take it as an attack. I'm certain you have a valid opinion.

I'm happy if people want to go somewhere else if they don't like the basic information/rules of doing business. My business is not suffering at all - I have more than enough to keep me busy, but I don't have to deal with the people who constantly make it difficult. Better to weed them out ahead of the sale than to have them unhappy afterwards.

Best,
Roger Garrett
 
In real life, i'm a service manager at a boat marina. I'm constantly dealing with multiple vendors and also act as a vendor to multiple shops and mechanics.
I constantly have shady characters coming out of the woodwork, trying to get something for nothing, or weaseling us for free work/parts/etc

I think because of my experience through work, I find myself being very loyal to vendors in my personal life.. ie, here on IAP.
Just as an example, let's use Ernie at Beartooth.. That guy is GREAT. He has average prices (unless he's having a sale, then his prices are great!) but its his customer service and attention to detail that keep me coming back to him. I've never had a problem with an order, after placing the order I always get a personal email from him with an appreciative response letting me know when my order is being shipped, the product is always perfect, etc etc.

That's the difference to me. When you take care of me as a customer (and i'm not saying "give me freebies or special deals"), then I am much more likely to be loyal to you as a vendor and in turn, I will keep coming back.

I think that most of us who sell over $20,000 worth of product a year want our customer base to trust and believe in us. I know I do. I have a huge return rate for products, and, in the case of mouthpiece clients, many students of those who have purchased mouthpieces or reed cases purchase. Customer service is very, very important - and in most cases, we do not hesitate to replace or send out new items when customers are clearly honest and confused. The T and C of your website however needs to be there to protect you from the occasional person who tries to take advantage of you. To not have some protection is just asking for trouble.

Best,
Roger Garrett
 
Some people are arrogant enough to think they are above the rules of common courtesy in business, Good for them, I can't afford to deal with them nor act like them, sadly it seems to be a growing trend, some act as if they are doing their customers a favor by allowing the customer to conduct business with them, OK good for them! Not good for me.

I think each business person has to determine what works best for them. To judge someone as arrogant just because they don't have the same business practice as you seems arrogant in itself. Just sayin'.

If your business practice works for you - great! Share the details. Try not to judge others for their's - they have a different set of life experiences than you do, and they shouldn't be treated harshly or judged poorly for their beliefs because of those experiences.

Glad you are feeling better.

Best wishes,
Roger Garrett
 
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No - I don't take it as an attack. I'm certain you have a valid opinion.

I'm happy if people want to go somewhere else if they don't like the basic information/rules of doing business. My business is not suffering at all - I have more than enough to keep me busy, but I don't have to deal with the people who constantly make it difficult. Better to weed them out ahead of the sale than to have them unhappy afterwards.

Best,
Roger Garrett

That's fine, for you. Actually you and I are dealing in different merchandise...mine is a commody business, yours appears to be more custom.

I sell a lot on eBay....and if you want an environment where the buyer has all of the advantages, eBay is the place.

The main thing I see in your T & C's that would keep me from doing business with you is the statement that the buyer is responsible for the item as soon as you ship it....If the item doesn't reach me in good condition I consider it the seller's responsibility to replace the item or refund my payment. btw, if the buyer paid by credit card you will lose on that if they charge back.
 
The main thing I see in your T & C's that would keep me from doing business with you is the statement that the buyer is responsible for the item as soon as you ship it....If the item doesn't reach me in good condition I consider it the seller's responsibility to replace the item or refund my payment. btw, if the buyer paid by credit card you will lose on that if they charge back.

That's not exactly what my T and C says. The buyer is responsible only if they ask me not to insure the item - which I always do as a rule. They can save a couple of $ by not insuring it - but I don't recommend it. They are then directed to the T and C if they don't want insurance.

If it is insured and is lost, I will replace the item immediately (despite what the disclaimer says - remember, it is there to protect me from the one person out of 500) if it can be made quickly. Obviously, it is easier to replace oak, maple and birch reed cases than a $100 mouthpiece or a Cocobolo Contra-Alto reed case (special order).

Disclaimers are not there to follow all the time, they are there in case someone is obviously trying to take advantage of you (rare).

Best,
Roger Garrett
 
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