The Queen's English

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My favorite IAP post appeared on the boards yesterday when Robert Johnson, Rojo22, said,

“I dialed in for the trivia channel and got an English class.â€

It has not been lost on the IAP membership that we have spent much energy discussing grammar, spelling, word usage, and style, with proponents trumpeting various rules and authorities in support of their respective positions. What seems to have been lost on the participants to the unending debate, however, is recognition that the style guides and grammar texts were not written with an interactive medium like the IAP forums in mind. Hence, these authorities are of limited, might we say, authority.

Rules guiding the use of language and orthography evolve over time and are specific to a medium, although rules may overlap between media. As participants in this interactive medium, we establish our own rules. The genesis of our rules was, perhaps, the same set of rules governing the media in force at the time, but our rules clearly have evolved as they have their differences and are more suitable to this medium. For instance, we permit certain acronyms (i.e., ROTFLMAO, SWMBO) that are impermissible in newspaper articles and letters to the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine. We use emoticons to help convey the intent behind our printed words. We insert graphics to give our words color and added meaning.

At the end of the day, communication is about the sharing of facts, instructions, emotions, opinions and ideas among and between ourselves so that the giver and the receiver have the same understanding of the information shared. Rules help us achieve that end, but a violation of the rules does not necessarily mean that end was not achieved. We have communicated successfully if giver and receiver are on the same page, regardless whether we have followed all of the rules.

Participants in these forums lack the assistance of professional editors and proofreaders, so we expect a greater error rate. The charitable among us accept it. The honest among us admit their contributions. Unless these errors cause us to misunderstand one another, and the goal of our subsequent identification of these errors and discussion thereof is to assist the communication process and achieve better understanding, then the exercise is moot.

E.E. Cummings is known for the creative license he employed with the orthography in his poetry. It was meaningful to him and to his devotees. His poetry was, after all, his and he was free to express himself in the manner he saw fit. Within the limits of acceptable use established by the IAP, we have the same freedom to use our words, punctuation, style, and grammar as we see fit. Hence, it is not “error†if we say it the way we mean to say it although the way we say it transgresses some authority’s rule.

I came here to learn about pen turning and to make some friends. I’ve done both and I have had no difficulty understanding the folks who have contributed of themselves through the written word. When Hank Lee starts writing in Kanji, I’ll have something to say, but until then, I appreciate the sharing, I appreciate the people who do the sharing, and I hope the next time Robert Johnson tunes into the trivia channel, he won’t find an English class.
 
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Michael, I find it interesting that you quite obviously put significant effort into making your post about the lack of necessity for proper spelling and grammar in perfect grammar with no misspelled words! Further, I find it intriguing that those who agree with your point of view are considered to be charitable and honest. Where that leaves those who do not is not specified, and must only be surmised.

To follow your directive about being clear of intent if not of spelling and proper syntax, opinions are like another rather significant body part; everyone has one.
 
While the internet may allow "rules" to evolve, certain words will remain in the language with only one correct spelling.

The word "Emperor" comes to mind.

Why, do you suppose THAT would be the word.

BECAUSE CAV CORRECTED ME WHEN I SPELLED IT WRONG. And, at the time, I was NOT happy about it!!!!

THEN, I realized he had saved me from myself. ALL of the Emperor pens I display have a card with the style name, spelled PROPERLY, AFTER his correction.

To those who make occasional spelling errors, so do I - but I type a heck of a lot on this forum ---- You're welcome, again!!!!

BUT, if you are butchering the language out of sloppiness, I also will not consider you LIKELY to produce fine, detailed pens. (Your writing betrays a lack of care to detail) On the other hand, if you have not been educated in the language, so you CANNOT write it well, you have my deepest sympathies, because it will make others PERCEIVE you as less intelligent- right or wrong.

Does it matter how you are perceived here???? Probably not.

FWIW
 
When Hank Lee starts writing in Kanji, I’ll have something to say,"
Believe me, I have TRIED writing in Kanji, it just won't take on most forums! :D If I were to fiddle enough . . .

One of my "problems" in communication is that I don't think straight "US English" any more, or straight "Japanese" either. What I say makes perfect sense to me and probably to most other long term ex-pats here. :D

Seriously, it takes effort to be clear within one mindset. So I just enjoy the ride and picts.
 
I think all the grammer correcting is just on fun. I've never paid much attention to it.

The only thing you need to learn on this forum is to use large fonts and lots of color if you want Ed to be able to read it!
 
Ed, thank you for your post. You expressed my intent far better than I have ever done. When I would get a resume hand-written on a piece of paper torn from a spiral notebook it was a clear sign that the individual cared little for appearance and detail.

Like it or not, there is a significant population out there that cares about attention to detail whatever the subject may be. Yes, my zingers on spelling are intended to be amusing, but I hope they can also be instructive.

Ed's Emperor/Emporer "confession" is a perfect example of what I try to accomplish and I thank him for sharing it. Yep, Tex, enjoy it as just good fun! Sorry I don't mess around with fonts much, I have a severe teal allergy:D;)
 
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