Tablesaw lawsuit

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Thats nuts.
Maybe the guy should have spent 2-3k on a good tablesaw and not $99 that he paid for the cheapest saw on the market. Add the flesh detector to all saws. Then everyone is going to complain that power tools are to expensive an no one but the contractors and business men can afford them.
Need smarter people on the jury.
 
This is being debated on a few sites including the sawmill creek site. May just have opened Pandora's Box with this suit. Never the operator's fault. Who can I sue for the blank I just blew up???
 
Why not? Just look at the kind of money you can get for being dim enough to put coffee that is too hot to drink between your legs and then driving like that.
 
The thing that disappoints me the most is that if the guy wanted a saw with a flesh detection system in it, he could have had one. He just can't have one for $100. It's not like it doesn't exist, he just didn't bother to spend the money on a Saw Stop saw. If it's so vitally important to have that technology in a tablesaw, why not buy one that has it? Duh! Seems to me it shouldn't take losing the use of a few fingers to come to that conclusion. He had the choice to buy a Saw Stop or a Royobi and he went with the Royobi. But now that he almost cut off his fingers, he's going to sue Royobi because they don't incorporate a design feature that comes with the brand he didn't want to spend the money on. Well, you get what you pay for. I don't have a tablesaw for that very reason.
 
The first thing that I noticed in the article was the fact that it happened several years ago. I'm wondering if Saw Stop was available then and is the Saw Stop technology proprietary? But you really have to admit that it's really the fault of the people that were sitting on the jury. Ron White is so right, "You can't fix stupid"!!!!

Tom
 
While I'm sure that this will be reduced on appeal, if not overturned completely.

If the results are that manufacturers are forced to incorporate the tech into the saws here's what you will see.

1) All new saw will cost $2000+
2) Many manufactures like Ryobi and Delta will likely stop making them all together as their niche will be gone.
3) Many people who want to get into this hobby, won't.
4) Contractors prices will go up.

Now, from my understanding, the saw-stops have a way of deactivating the brake for a cut at a time. How much you want to bet that the first perso injured while using that feature sues the maker.

Here's hoping my Ryobi lasts me long enough to replace it with one of the European models.
 
So, if I were to get into an accident in my '88 Jeep, could I sue because there were no airbags equipted back then and they shoould have recalled all older vehicles and retro fitted airbags and antilock brakes. I also want to sue the water company because I put my hot water on high and then scalded myself by standing under it. Next I am sueing the electric company for putting electricity into my house and allowing me to damage my eyesight by watching too much TV. Finally, I am going to sue my parents for not putting me to sleep when I was little and allowing me to turn into a lawsuit happy idiot..........Now I feel better. But be aware, if anyone even thinks about something that has anything to do with anything at all, I will sue you all for copyright infringement and habius corpus dilecti!!!!!! Now my head hurts, I am going to sue the asprin company for not having any close by that I can take.
 
If you don't already have the table saw that you want and need, I'd advise you to buy it now! The Trial Lawyers Association has just added about a 30 percent increase to the cost of shop equipment!

Geez, lawyers! With all the starving lawyers in this country, it is a miracle that the economy isn't in worse shape!
 
OKLAHOMAN said:
To the guy that sued and the jury...read the last line of my signature in red:bad:. Enough said!
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Roy, they did find a way to fix stupid, there was an article in the paper not long ago about it, the title was "Man Shoots Self While Cleaning Gun".
 
I whacked my knuckles this morning on my Jet lathe by a protruding piece of a cole chuck I was turning with and it hurts like hell. I am seriously considering suing Jet for an undisclosed amount for pain and suffering and trauma for not providing a flesh detector on the lathe which would instantly stop the rotation upon contact with skin! If the technology is there for saws, then by God it'll work for lathes too!

While I'm at it, I might as well add Woodcraft to the suit since they sell the Saw Stop so are fully aware of the technology.

To me, the real scarry part is this...... "Osorio's case is one of more than 50 lawsuits pending throughout the United States against the major table saw manufacturers for failure to adopt the technology"

How many more will jump on the bandwagon before the major tool companies just say to hell with it and stop making saws and other tools for the home shop woodworker? I'm glad I already have my shop full of tools, I'd hate to pay the prices these things will cost in a few years.
 
I don't understand these things Multi million doller suits as a result of stupidity. I seem to remember someone in the US winning a million dollar law suit for a RV and Cruise Control where the person set it and left the drivers seat and sued becasue "they werent warned about it not being an AUTOPILOT" when they got into an accident. Urban Legend maybe? I hope so....
Regardless lets see what happens in an appeal with the table saw. Keep in mind were not on the jury and we dont know 100% of the facts of this case. I do know that ridiculous issues like this don't occur in Canadian court systems or I dont hear about them. Its difficult to get huge sums of money for injury in Canadian courts. Even if it is directly as a result of a manufactures defect.
 
Maybe his Ryobi was made after manufacturers rejected the SawStop patent, but before SawStop started making complete machines. If I remember correctly, the mechanism was shopped around, and rejected, and then SawStop TS's came to be. So, he made not have had the option to buy a SawStop to begin with. Just trying to think of some kinda reason he would have a case. The jury was still made up of 12 idiots that probably never used a power tool in their lives, though. Anyone that has, should know that they are all dangerous, and should be treated with respect, for fear of bodily harm, up to and including death. Oh, and lets not forget all of the warnings that come with the saw.
 
Does anyone else see a huge class action lawsuit coming? There must have been hundreds of thousands of table saws made since the SawStop system was patented. There have likely been thousands of injuries using those machines. Now that there's been a victory, lawyers and "victims" are gonna smell blood in the water.
 
Texatdurango said:
I whacked my knuckles this morning on my Jet lathe by a protruding piece of a cole chuck I was turning with and it hurts like hell. I am seriously considering suing Jet for an undisclosed amount for pain and suffering and trauma for not providing a flesh detector on the lathe which would instantly stop the rotation upon contact with skin! If the technology is there for saws, then by God it'll work for lathes too!

While I'm at it, I might as well add Woodcraft to the suit since they sell the Saw Stop so are fully aware of the technology.

To me, the real scarry part is this...... "Osorio's case is one of more than 50 lawsuits pending throughout the United States against the major table saw manufacturers for failure to adopt the technology"

How many more will jump on the bandwagon before the major tool companies just say to hell with it and stop making saws and other tools for the home shop woodworker? I'm glad I already have my shop full of tools, I'd hate to pay the prices these things will cost in a few years.
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The thought of you hitting your hand like that and the sympathy pains caused me great hardship, I may not be able to go near another lathe again after hearing of your tragic accident. For that reason I am forced to seek legal actions against you, you may or may not be hearing from my attorney. Good day Sir!!!
 
US Constitution Article 8 Section 1
All citizens and corporations will avoid all forms of risk at all times under penalty of criminal punishment and civil action under this Article. There has been enough risk taking in the founding of this nation. We are now free of risk...
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
so our used power tools will be worth more becaust i cant afford to replace it or you will have to trash it because it is a danger to use ........
 
Neil
I see a law suit for you and your bandsaw manufacture. I know I have seen a few others that have also had a run in with the blade of any of their tools.
Search "OUCH" and I know we have many threads on here about the same issue. Class action suit. I have a Ryobi table saw that I purchased just 3 years ago. Woohoo......
sad sad sad
 
Neil, your comments are making me laugh way too much. If I get fired because I am laughing so much I can't get my work done, you sir, shall hear from my lawyer.

This is just plain nuts. There are a lot of people in this country who want compensation anytime they get hurt or feel pain regardless of the cause of that. I remember a number of years back 60 Minutes did a segment on warning labels and pretty much every warning label is a result of a lawsuit. It's amazing that so many stupid people are still a part of the gene pool. Read some of those labels and imagine someone actually doing what it is warning you against, then trying to get someone else to pay them for the consequence(s) of their actions, and a jury agreeing. Absolutely incredible.
 
For what it's worth: I was talking with a SawStop rep at my local WoodCraft, and he was telling us how (allegedly) SawStop never intended to get into the actual manufacturing of saws. They invented the safety mechanism and offered it to all of the other manufacturers to put on their saws. The manufacturers, according to this fellow, all said that they could not because then they would be admitting that their older saws were in fact unsafe and opening themselves up for liability. Now in fact it has happened.

I agree that this is a frivolous lawsuit. Just because someone comes up with a better/safer way to work does NOT mean that all other ways are 'bad' or 'unsafe.'

Personal responsibility is no more. Now it is "YOU make me safe, YOU do this for me, YOU think for me, yada, yada, yada."

It reminds me of the jokes by Bill Engvall in his "Here's Your Sign" routines: all those warning labels on everything mean that somewhere, at some time, someone did what it is warning against.

To the lawyers who pursued that case: :bananen_smilies068:
 
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Neil
I see a law suit for you and your bandsaw manufacture. I know I have seen a few others that have also had a run in with the blade of any of their tools.
Search "OUCH" and I know we have many threads on here about the same issue. Class action suit. I have a Ryobi table saw that I purchased just 3 years ago. Woohoo......
sad sad sad
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Let's see if this is the proper way to word my pending bandsaw lawsuit...Due to my own stupidity and negligence, I want lots of money from you because I was not using your product as it was supposed to be used........Not going to happen from my end, I admit I was wrong when I got hurt doing what I shouldn't have been doing.
 
When saws are outlawed, only outlaws will have saws. LOL. The rest of us will just have to go back to using hand saws or gnawing the wood.
Stupidity reigns in the courts and frivilous lawsuits cost all of us lots of money
 
Padre said:
For what it's worth: I was talking with a SawStop rep at my local WoodCraft, and he was telling us how (allegedly) SawStop never intended to get into the actual manufacturing of saws. They invented the safety mechanism and offered it to all of the other manufacturers to put on their saws. The manufacturers, according to this fellow, all said that they could not because then they would be admitting that their older saws were in fact unsafe and opening themselves up for liability. Now in fact it has happened.
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Funny you should mention this. I have read a few unsubstantiated reports that the folks at SawStop may be perpetuating some of this in hopes of securing licensing rights to their system being installed on other manufacturers table saws.

The whole thing boils down to money--I really don't think the plaintiff or the attorneys have real consumer safety in mind.
 
I went to a vocational high school and had a couple of "Old Timers" teaching me back then. I have alot of contruction workers in my family. Many of the "Old Timers are missing a finger or the tip of a finger. Many have stories about getting cut off, my fault, bandaging it up and finishing the day or going to have it stitched closed and going back to work to finish the day. I would love to hear what they would say about this or maybe put a couple in the room with this guy.
 
wolftat said:
Yadda yadda yadda... Now my head hurts, I am going to sue the asprin company for not having any close by that I can take.
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Now I'm going to sue Al Gore for inventing the innerweb 'cause if he hadn't done it, I wouldn't have read this and absorbed some of your headache. :mad:
And, I'm gonna sue you for posting this painful post. :biggrin:

In a more serious tone, what we reallly need is a class action lawsuit against the tort lawyers who chase these types of frivolous cases.
They're the real problem; they've convinced a mindless public to abandon personal responsibility and play the blame game for money!
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G
 
I've said for years that we need one new law that makes it so a manufacturer can put one sticker on all their gear: "This device is not proof against stupidity." Then we just need juries that understand stupid is as stupid does.

Hmmmmm might need those stickers on each seat of the jury box.
 
Until we have tort reform, we will continue to have these type of law suits.:redface:Sad :redface:
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OKLAHOMAN said:
Until we have tort reform, we will continue to have these type of law suits.:redface:Sad :redface:
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mmmmmmmm Raspberry Torte
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If the source I found is correct, as of 2006, 53% of Senators are attorneys and 36% of US Representatives are attorneys.

Tort reform? Who the heck are we kidding?!?!?!?
 
Well I agree you can't fix stupid and no one takes personal responsibility any more, our judicial system sucks. The lawyers are going to take the case because of money-but judges need to get off there ----- any throw these out. The juries are sometimes as stupid as the client.
One of the stupid tags I like the best is the one on a lawnmower warning stupid people not to change the blade with engine running!! I would almost pay money to see that.(Guess I really do with all our waste taxes)
 
He SHOULD be suing his parents for not buying condoms that had spermicide in them.
The technology was available..
 
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