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Gary Max

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I keep reading treads where members across the pond are wanting to trade for pen kits???
I don't get it.
Doesn't Daycom sell in to other countries???---There is a big cost factor to import the kits into the USA---custom fees---shipping---broker fees---more shipping.
I had always thought someone from Oz could make a killing just being a middle man.
Does anyone know how this works ???????????
 
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I get the impression that most other countries do not have the number of vendors or selection of products that we have in the U.S.

That is definitely true of the UK Frank, you can count the number of vendors on 1 hand.
There is only one that sells some of the CSUSA kits and they want nearly double what i can get the for in the States, Statesman kit will cost us around $52.:mad:
 
I get the impression that most other countries do not have the number of vendors or selection of products that we have in the U.S.

As far as UK goes that about sums it up, plus the cost of stock and low stockturn of course. Also, its a much smaller consumer market in the Uk and retail prices over here are not very good compared to US prices so it helps to find someone who can buy for you or to trade with and ship over as a gift to avoid duty.
regards, Bill
 
That is definitely true of the UK Frank, you can count the number of vendors on 1 hand.
There is only one that sells some of the CSUSA kits and they want nearly double what i can get the for in the States, Statesman kit will cost us around $52.:mad:

Sounds like a business opportunity waiting to be tapped. :wink:
 
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That is definitely true of the UK Frank, you can count the number of vendors on 1 hand.
There is only one that sells some of the CSUSA kits and they want nearly double what i can get the for in the States, Statesman kit will cost us around $52.:mad:


US$52 for a kit? Out of curiosity, is that an "all in" price, or do you have to pay shipping and VAT in addition to the US$52?
 
Sounds like a business opportunity waiting to be tapped. :wink:

You'd think so Dario and maybe it would be worth trying a bulk buy on one or two models but then you run into the import duty element, handling and distribution, payment etc etc.
Seems like a thankless and very time consuming exercise for anyone prepared to take it on.
Im not sure it would be supported that well either over here.
regards, Bill
 
Sounds like a business opportunity waiting to be tapped. :wink:

I know that is something which has/is being looked at by various people, but as Bill (Talbot) mentioned it is a very small market over here and quite a big risk to take, maybe one day:rolleyes:.

US$52 for a kit? Out of curiosity, is that an "all in" price, or do you have to pay shipping and VAT in addition to the US$52?

That is the price for the kit (VAT is included) shipping is extra.
 
Actually..... i have already mailed Dayacom.... even with 500 kits.... they are still unwilling to supply..... they have asked me to contact CSUSA direct.....
 
Problem is the Lorry's are all too small and they drive on the wrong side of the road. This means you can't fit as much freight and the trucks are driving in circles! All the problems would be easily solved if Steve would turn a submarine. Then we could smuggle the pens in..drive fast at night and really slow during the day so as not to make a wake visible by satellite's in space.
 
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Another factor that needs to be considered... in the US, shipments from China and Taiwan enjoy a "most favored nation" status... i.e., there is no duties on imports from these countries as a general rule. I don't have access to a TSUSA to determine if our pen kits fall into that category, but suspect they do. Many other countries don't have this luxury and have very high customs fees, VAT, duties, etc... depending on the origin of the goods... when the vendors here buy in the volumes they do, the cost per kit, landed, duties paid is only pennies whereas in other countries because of the import charges, the prices will/can be considerably higher...

In relatively smaller quantities, you can ship from an individual to an individual as a non-commercial shipment or even as an unsolicited gift and circumvent a number of the taxes. A shipment from a commercial enterprise to an individual will flag this as a commercial shipment and trigger the duties, taxes, etc....

I'm thinking it might be difficult for an individual to front the monies for 500+ kits over a number of kit styles and wind up sitting on a couple thousand kits for a while before they could move them out.... we appear to have a much much larger market here in the USA than a lot of other countries - I reach this conclusion by looking at the general memembership of IAP and other pen groups - our membership is by and large very heavily slanted towards the USA. Our second largest membership group appears to be Canadian.
 
Chuck---I disagree.
There are many members here who buy kits by the 100's-----so we are really not talking about #'s out of reach.
Second---the cost to import kits from China is a Whole bunch more than pennies.
Everyone and their brother wants a fee---there are way to many people getting a piece of the pie.
It just seems like there has to be a better way to get-er-done.
 
A lot of the problem for us in Australia is just not enough population to maek any economy of scales viable, especially in niche markets. Look at this

Geographical size

Australia: 2.9 mil square miles
US: 3.5 mil square miles

Population

Australia: 17.5 million
New York Metro Area: 18.8 million

Even if buying 500 of one kit proved economically viable at cost of say $5 per kit (and that would have to be a buy price of about $3 per unit, as postage to get it to Aus probably adds 2/3rds), reselling those kits at maybe $15 per kit, you'd have to sell 166 kits just to break even. In Australia, I'd reckon selling 166 of one medium range kit kit would probably take 6 - 12 months. That's a long time to be soring inventory and out of pocket $2,500 before you even start to make a profit.

The other complication for us at the moment is, the US$ is generally the standard for Asian countries when selling internationally. we're currently paying 1.5x the US$ price in Australian dollars, so imports are very expensive. Anything over $1,000 in value coming into Aus is also hit with 15%+ in duties.

Our number of suppliers is also very small, but even those possibly struggle to make a profit due to the total sales that happen here, which is why we have a limited range & limited availability. You'd have to have something very unique and in high demand to make importing really viable.

Russell.
 
I was looking at importing from Dayacom a few weeks ago, I asked for a price for the Jr Gent in rhodium with postable end cap, as usual it was a minimum of 500 kits and they wanted $11.70 per kit = $5,850.00.

As the weight of this order would be approx 24-25kgs Dayacom estimated airfreight from Taiwan to London airport at $280.00.

Then on top of that I would be liable for VAT charge and any other duties that may arise when importing into the UK.

At the end of the day it is a lot of money to shell out for one kit style and one plating, imagine if there was a problem with a few kits, nightmare! Craft Supplies USA is selling them for $16.99 ea.
 
Yikes! That's a pretty poor margin. Makes my calculations 3x worse.

I think the aim better be to perfect the perfect kitless pen, and take it from there :)

Russell.
 
Yikes! That's a pretty poor margin. Makes my calculations 3x worse.

I think the aim better be to perfect the perfect kitless pen, and take it from there :)

Russell.

Do not forget that CSUSA is not only buying 500 kits of one style in one plating. I believe they are buying thousands of the well going kits in several palting options, so think they get a much better price per kit than the one listed above - I would say they may pay some $6-8 for the same kit.
 
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