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Hello all,

Wanted to pass along some recent information we have obtained and learned about the "B" side of our Crystal Clear urethane casting system many in this forum have or are using. A few days ago I spoke with one of our primary raw materials suppliers and uncovered some fine print of one of the components we use in the "B" side which states that it is temperature sensitive below 70 degrees F. Meaning the material may thicken, gel, and could eventually crystalize if exposed to storage temperatures below 70 degrees F. This came to a serious shock to us as the system has passed our internal QC testing and approval processes for shelf life (includes extreme cold and warm environments) as well as moisture absorption. But the simple fact was we were seeing inconsistencies with some of our customers which raised concerns to us and we simply needed to find an answer. There was even one person from this forum I spoke with approximately 6 weeks ago that we simply didn't have an answer for.

After a lot of digging and many discussions, what we've uncovered is that when the material is exposed to cold temperatures (even extremely low temperatures ... below freezing) for short periods of time (less than 7 days) the material stays liquid and does not experience any abnormal increase in viscosity but if the material sits in a below room temperature (approximately 60-65 degrees) environment for prolonged periods of time (best of our knowledge right now is more than 2 weeks), the B side begins to thicken and will eventually gel. We have experienced a half dozen phone calls from people in the midwest and north in the last 3 weeks experiencing the same issues who have had absolutely no issues over the last 6 months. Fortunately it has not caught up to our southern friends quite yet.

Updates to our website, product labels, data sheets, MSDS, and FAQs are soon to follow. But I wanted to first and foremost spread the word to please store the Crystal Clear B side (preferrably both parts) in a 70 degree F environment to preserve the viscosity of the material. I would also recommend removing it from cement floors and placing the material on a shelf to eliminate the possibility of the cold temperatures transferring into the containers.

The good news is that even though the material may thicken or gel, it can be completely restored with no loss of physical properties or characteristics by simply warming the material. Here is the recommended procedure for warming and restoring the thickened B side.

If the "B" side thickens to a gel like state, warm the material to bring it back to its original consistency. Warm the material by filling a container (large enough to place the entire "B" side container into) with hot tap water (do not boil or heat more than 140 degrees F) and place the entire sealed container into the bucket of water. DO NOT open the caps and do not pour the resin into the water. Simply warm the container using hot tap water for 30 to 60 minutes. Shake occasionally until the "B" side returns to its original thin viscosity. Rotate hot water as needed and continue to warm until the material thins back down to its original viscosity. DO NOT microwave the material. DO NOT place the plastic container in an oven in an attempt to restore. A hot plate can be used but should be set at a very low temperature setting between 120-140 degrees F. The material should also be shaken frequently to mix the warming "B" side and prevent the bottom from getting too hot. Once the material has been restored, it will stay in its liquid state until being exposed to below 65 degree temperatures for prolonged periods of time in which it will once again begin to thicken. Short periods of cold temperature exposure will not affect the "B" side viscosity however prolonged periods will cause the "B" side to thicken and eventually gel.

We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused anyone using the material and ask that you call us if you have any questions at 800 447-9344 and we'll be more than happy to work with you to make sure the Crystal Clear is performing properly.

thanks,
Mike Faupel
Alumilite
 
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Now that is customer service!!!!! I've never used it but will eventually (just getting started). Good to know there are still companies out there who actually do research "concerns" brought to there attention and actually follow up on them. Thanks!!!!
 
That is good to know, but what does the temperature increase do to the working time of the resin? Part of the attraction to the Crystal Clear was the longer working time.
 
That is good to know, but what does the temperature increase do to the working time of the resin? Part of the attraction to the Crystal Clear was the longer working time.

Neil, I followed Mikes instructions; I actually use a round electric deep fryer with water in it set at low. Once the part B is heated it stays at the lower viscosity until you let it get below 65 again, then I re-heat and it is fine.

As far as working time, I have not experienced a reduction in working time bec of the warm part B...but I usually pour, mix and presurize in under 3 mins, so far I have used about 30 Gals of CC with no problems when heating part B.

The one thing I have noticed is that when you pour the warm part B into part A the part B will settle to the bottom of the mixing container.

Now if I can only find a pot big enough to fit the 5 gallon container ... ;)
 
Once the material has been restored, allow it to cool back down to room temperature prior to mixing. As it cools back down to room temperature, it will not thicken but will stay at the low viscosity just as if it were new. Once it is at room temperature, you will have your full 7-8 minutes work time. Warming the material simply restores the resin back to where it should be. Once restored, simply store it above 70 F and it should stay perfectly stable until you need to pour the next time. You should not have to do this every time you pour unless the material has been stored below 70 F for more than a couple weeks.

If you pour the material while warm, you are exactly correct, the open time and demold will both decrease significantly. Open time using the warm B side will be closer to 4 minutes with a 20-30 minute demold time.

Mike
Alumilite
800 447-9344
 
Thanks Mike, I just want you to know that your time and attention that it took to post this directly to the group is appreciated. I have not used Alumilite before but recently got some stopper molds. I have been trying to decide just what to get to fill them with and I think this post just made up my mind.
 
Thanks for the heads up, as my storage is in my basement.

BTW- good deal on getting into Woodcraft! I shy away from getting things online, as I like to buy local and I hate shipping charges. So I was happy to see a small kit at my local WC yesterday. Picked up my first bit of Alumilite, and I'm looking forward to using the product!
 
Thanks Mike. I'm just down the road from you and my CC is thick, but so far it has not been a problem. The shop is running down to 55 when the heat is off, but that's not going to last for long..soon it will be down in the 40's on off days in there. The gelly CC is mixing and setting up with absolutely no issues at 55 degrees. I keep my house temp at about 70, so I think I'll just bring my big containers in the house and bring the smaller ones into the shop only when I need them. I'm pretty happy with the Crystal Clear. Love that gold and silver powder that Carol gave me too, that stuff is awesome. Requires no paint additives..just the powder on it's own is plenty opaque but yields depth at the same time.
 
Workinforwood,

Please give us a call ahead of time and stop in whenever you are in the neighborhood (that goes for anyone passing through Kalamazoo, MI). We'd love to meet you and see what you've been up to.

I heard of one other person that tried to use the Crystal Clear B side when it was starting thicken or had already thickened with poor results. I'm assuming if it were only slightly thicker than normal you may still be able to get it to work but I would not recommend trying it especially when the fix with hot tap water is relatively quick and easy. I simply wouldn't risk wasting the time or material if it doesn't mix or cure properly.

I like the idea of storing it in the house and simply transporting the smaller containers. That should work perfectly.

Thanks,
Mike
Alumilite
 
Fortunately it has not caught up to our southern friends quite yet.

It has now. I did a pour yesterday and it was very thick, almost had to cut it with a knife to separate to measure. It took longer to mix with the "A" and took a little longer to get down into the cracks of the "worthless wood" and the loofa I was using but I had no issues.

I'll definitely keep mine in the warmer house rather than the basement and I'll warm it with the hot water method.

Thanks for the guidance.
 
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