Specifications of Parker refills?

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I got a very nice PM today about the 9000 refills.

One of our customers (and a member here) has had the 9000 "hang up" rather than retract properly in two different styles of pen.

So, I measured the nib of the 9000, it is exactly .100"

I also measured some kits' refills--They were .098". But, I measured the ONE Parker brand refill I have and it also was .103".
So, if the 9000 refill "hangs up" (does not retract fully, without help), the Parker brand would be worse.

Also it was mentioned that the 9000 refill in question had a label to identify it and that might be the problem. I would like everyone to know the label was a very limited time "thing". The refills are now printed ON the refill--so if this causes any difficulties, it will apply only to the short run of "labeled" 9000's. Also, the printed new 9000's say made in Germany to comply with US requirements.

So, how many different types of "component pens" are having this difficulty and have you tried Parker brand with any better success rate? What "fixes" have you used successfully?

Does anyone KNOW what the spec is on Parker brand OR what spec the "kit manufacturers" adhere to?? Smitty?????

All input is appreciated!

I should also make it clear that the member involved was NOT complaining---he was merely seeking my advice on what to do. Now, I am seeking YOUR input for a better answer than "ream out the nibs of the pens, so it will take the refills we SAY it can use"!!
 
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Ed we carry the Private Reserve labeled Schmidt Easy Flow 9000. When I go into the shop tomorrow I will let you know what the nib measurement is on those. I have used them in Sierras and Vistas with no problem.
 
ISO 12757 is about the properties of ballpoint pens and refills and how to test them. 12757-1 is about the dimensions of refills (for example a G2 is a "Parker style" refill) and quality for general use. Part 2 is about the requirements (light fastness, water resistance and shelf life) for documentery (DOC) use.

The document may be purchased at numerous places online.
 
I had issues with refills not working in the 8mm tube couplers im using. I either had to drill the coupler out a couple of thousandths or peel off the sticker. glad to hear they are going to be printed.
mike
 
MikeR,

In my most recent shipment, they are printed.
Just put them in inventory last Thursday.
 
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MikeK

Thanks, but I have several hundred of them. My interest is in the "Parker brand" so we can see if the Schmidt produced Private Reserve matches the Parker.
 
Lou,

Thanks for the lead. If all else fails, I will buy that hoping that it gives physical dimensions along with all the Government mumbo-jumbo.

Tried the direct approach-emailed Janesville.
 
Here we go with unsolicited advertising. Have not had any problems with the fit of Ed's "9000" refills. I make it my practice to put one in EVERY pen I make, except one. That ONE is the comparison pen, used in the sales presentation to convince the potential buyer, and it works. They love the way the 9000 writes, and thus are further convinced of the quality I offer. It helps sales. Thanks Ed
 
:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:Well Steve, we all know metal expands in the heat, so in Hawaii, your "nib holes" would be big enough!!:eek::eek::biggrin:

Thanks for your comments!!!
 
ed4copies said:
I got a very nice PM today about the 9000 refills.

Ed, it seems to me that the problem you describe below could also be cause by the small end of the 9000 refill being just a tad out of line, or by a spring not compressing properly. I would try to eliminate those two possibilities which can be caused by handling before starting to try to chase Parker or thekitmaker for their specs.

One of our customers (and a member here) has had the 9000 "hang up" rather than retract properly in two different styles of pen.

So, I measured the nib of the 9000, it is exactly .100"

I also measured some kits' refills--They were .098". But, I measured the ONE Parker brand refill I have and it also was .103".
So, if the 9000 refill "hangs up" (does not retract fully, without help), the Parker brand would be worse.

Also it was mentioned that the 9000 refill in question had a label to identify it and that might be the problem. I would like everyone to know the label was a very limited time "thing". The refills are now printed ON the refill--so if this causes any difficulties, it will apply only to the short run of "labeled" 9000's. Also, the printed new 9000's say made in Germany to comply with US requirements. Yes there is no lable on the 9000s I got from you.

So, how many different types of "component pens" are having this difficulty and have you tried Parker brand with any better success rate? What "fixes" have you used successfully?

Does anyone KNOW what the spec is on Parker brand OR what spec the "kit manufacturers" adhere to?? Smitty????? No, I do not know that you will probably need to contact Parker to find out. On the Nib you would need to contact the kit manufacturer to find out what the size and tolerance are.

All input is appreciated!

I should also make it clear that the member involved was NOT complaining---he was merely seeking my advice on what to do. Now, I am seeking YOUR input for a better answer than "ream out the nibs of the pens, so it will take the refills we SAY it can use"!!Short term there might not be a better solution...one alternative would be to measure each refill and set aside those that seem to large, but that is not an acceptable long term solution to the problem.[/quote]

If both the nib and the refills you measured are within their respecitve specifications then the only long term solution is to change the design tolerances of one or the other. Because you do not have a quaity problem.

If a refill that meets its specification does not fit into a nib that meets its specification the only long term fix is that one or the other change its specification, or that a substitute refill that will fit the tolerances of the kit be found. Not a terribly unusual happening in the manufacturing world where one is using off the shelf components provided by OEMs.
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Schmidt Spec

ed4copies said:
MikeK

Thanks, but I have several hundred of them. My interest is in the "Parker brand" so we can see if the Schmidt produced Private Reserve matches the Parker.
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Ed, one thing to keep in mind is that to be a direct replacement the Schmidt spec must fall entirely within the Parker. It can be the same or tighter, but it cannot be looser and be warranted to work in all situations where the Parker is the original provider.
 
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