Question about pen refills

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For those of you that sell your pens.

Do you sell with refill in the kit...or replace them with something else? Or sell the customer a better refill at the time?
If so what do you replace them with?
What are the top two refills?

I'm building stock getting ready to show them with my scroll saw art. First shows of the season start next weekend.
 
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For pens that use "Parker-size" . . .

I replace the kit-supplied refill.

I buy the Schmidt refills (equivalent size to Parker refills; same size as comes in kits; far better quality)
Can't remember the actual Schmidt part number; I buy from .... www . exoticblanks . com .... ; you can look it up there.
 
For those of you that sell your pens.

Do you sell with refill in the kit...or replace them with something else? Or sell the customer a better refill at the time?
If so what do you replace them with?
What are the top two refills?

I'm building stock getting ready to show them with my scroll saw art. First shows of the season start next weekend.
I have never had any issues with the refills supplied with the components, so I sell them with the original and I've never had a complaint.
 
For those of you that sell your pens.

Do you sell with refill in the kit...or replace them with something else? Or sell the customer a better refill at the time?
If so what do you replace them with?
What are the top two refills?

I'm building stock getting ready to show them with my scroll saw art. First shows of the season start next weekend.
I agree with Mal and Ken. I do both.
My 2 cents....Go with what came with them. This is your first show with pens. Check the competition with pens. See how and where you can separate yourself from pack.

Full Disclosure. One of the guys here posted....a lot easier to quadruple the price of your pen with a quality refill.

Good luck. Hope you do well. I have been hearing mostly positive sales at these events.
 
It was once said by someone who sold pens at expensive pen shows(DCbluesman for those of us that were here when the Dead Sea was just sick.) make sure you have a piece of very good quality paper available for people to try the pens on. For aftermarket refills, Private Reserve refills are good. I have some Beaufort Ink ones I need to try.
 
I replace the refills with a "better" one one any higher priced pens - it helps people feel better about the higher price if the pen seems to write better than the lower priced offerings.
 
I replace all Parker style refills included with the kits using a Schmidt Easyflow9000. The difference sells pens. Several years ago I replaced 150 refills with the Schmidt product and gave away the old ones. Customers regularly comment that my pens write better. I have competition but win in sales partly due to the refills.
 
I replace all Parker style refills included with the kits using a Schmidt Easyflow9000. The difference sells pens. Several years ago I replaced 150 refills with the Schmidt product and gave away the old ones. Customers regularly comment that my pens write better. I have competition but win in sales partly due to the refills.
This is good to know. I've written with a few of the pens I've made, ones I don't think I could sell. One was smooth as you could imagine, but the refill was blank (no label). I suspect now it was a Schmidt. The others, felt a bit "scratchy" and I didn't really like it.

I've had a couple people ask me about my pens, and they commented that the person they would buy any for was a pen collector and rather particular about their pens. Some had very specific color expectations as well...some strictly black, others very very strictly blue (those who like blue seem to be very vocal about it!)
 
I just ordered some Schmidt Easyflow 9000 refills. I think I'll put them in the higher priced pens to start. Then just play it by ear. I also like the idea of good paper for people to try them out on...not just garbage paper. You can probably tell a difference in the way a pen feels on good paper.
 
I just ordered some Schmidt Easyflow 9000 refills. I think I'll put them in the higher priced pens to start. Then just play it by ear. I also like the idea of good paper for people to try them out on...not just garbage paper. You can probably tell a difference in the way a pen feels on good paper.

You really can't go wrong with the Schmidt Easyflow 9000 refills. I've been through a few doing journaling and love them. They seem better than the Parker Quink refills. The gel ones from PSI in the clear plastic casing write well, but don't seem to last long. The only "kit cartridges" I've had any problems with or complaints about were the cross style ones.

As for rollerballs, the Schmidt 5888 is considered an upgrade rollerball cartridge, but the 888s are still a great cartridge in my opinion. I really like the Schneider Topball 850s that come with some of the PSI kits and they are surprisingly cheap on Amazon. For what it's worth, the Pilot G2 cartridge has almost a cult following. That, along with the Pilot Precise and Pentel Energel refills, are the same length overall as a rollerball, but they don't have the same tip extension in a lot of kits because of the difference in the "shoulder" design. Technically, they do fit and function in a junior, but just don't look as "natural" as a rollerball cartridge. They fit great in some of the other kits. Also, I recently discovered fineliners (felt tip), but have not tried them yet.

All that being said, you would do well to impress customers with your knowledge of inks and their various uses. Fountain pen and rollerball inks are water based and much more free flowing, so much so that leaving the tip resting on fabric will wick the ink right out of the cartridge. Standard ballpoint cartridges have a paste ink that is solvent based. The solvent evaporates faster than water, thus the ballpoint ink dries faster. Faster drying is better for left handed people. Gel refills such as the Parker Quink, Schmidt Easyflow 9000, and G2 still offer a nice easy flowing ink with a reasonable drying time.

As was noted previously, paper quality makes a difference, but how will they ultimately be using the pen? Writing a memoir, journaling, or just grocery lists? Archival paper? Cotton fiber paper? Cheap paper? Post-It notes? Test some out yourself and maybe have a few types of paper and inks with you for a test drive. Someone might want a regular ballpoint cartridge. Heck, give them 2 if they prefer that ink. You will have plenty of those around once you start putting the nicer ones in anyway. I don't know if you'll have time for that much interaction at shows, but it would certainly build rapport with the customer and trust in your business.

Too much?
 
As said before the Schmidt Easy Flow 9000 is the way to go. I assemble my pens with the stock generic. People are generally pleased with the results. I then invite them to write with a pen loaded with the Easy Flow, and tell them all my pens come with the Easy Flow. Use this as a selling point. After the sale, I then show them how to replace the refill. They walk away with the generic and the brand new EF. Also helps to give the the option of a blue refill.
 
It was once said by someone who sold pens at expensive pen shows(DCbluesman for those of us that were here when the Dead Sea was just sick.) make sure you have a piece of very good quality paper available for people to try the pens on. For aftermarket refills, Private Reserve refills are good. I have some Beaufort Ink ones I need to try.
I was sorting through some ebonite the other evening and found an envelope from Lou. What an incredible pen maker!

As for the OP, I have not tried upgraded refills on Cross-style pens (I need to find a good one!). You cannot go wrong with the EasyFlow9000 refill for Parker-style. They write so smoothly and on any paper (the stock refills can be a bit picky about what they'll write on). As also noted, the Schmidt 888/5888 are excellent refills for rollerball pens. The 5888 looks a little more prominent since it has a metal body.
 
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