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In this day and age where people are afraid to say "Merry Christmas", where some offices actually go so far as to pass around memos encouraging the use of the phrase "the holidays" and discouraging using the word Christmas at all.

I got an email yesterday and the title caught my eye. It was refreshing just seeing the word in print (other than in a memo banning its use) that I thought I'd share it....

From: XiaoVera [mailto:vera-lnv@hotmail.com]
Sent: 11/29/2008 1:05 AM
To: george
Subject: Drill bits-Christmas promotion



In order to reciprocate our cooperated and potential customers on the corner of Christmas and New Year......

It's a shame it had to come all the way from China! :eek:
 
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I got that email too... if I needed 500 drill bits, I could have gotten a 10 or 15% discount..

You're right about the "politically" correct... if you want to be "politically correct" go into politics...

Merry Christmas George.
 
George, I could not agree more! Not only do we have to be "politically correct", more and more things are falling under "politics" and "religion".

In short, the minority has the ability to muzzle the majority simply by declaring a subject "political".

This is, of course, MUCH easier than developing a well-reasoned logic to defend a person's position.

Yet again, the lazy have made THEIR way the ACCEPTED way, And we wonder why we are losing competitive edge on the world stage.

MERRY THANKSGIVING ALL!!!
 
I'm with you guys if someone is offended by my wishing them a Merry Christmas they will have to get over it. Our troops all over the world are defending the rights and freedom of all to celebrate however they want.
 
Talk about politically correct...did anyone watch the Macy's T-day parade? I thought I was in PC land....all this stuff about "believing in the inner joy of our community and sharing in the hopes of our future". Our forefathers started this country for everyone to express what they believe, not poo poo what others believe. I say believe whatever you do with conviction, and don't worry at all about what I do!!
 
Yeah, but the Rick Astly thing was too friggin funny. Everyone know the inside joke with that? One word "Rickroll".
 
Funny thing is, political correctness came about to supposely protect the rights (feelings!!) of some. Funny thing it, it takes the rights of the rest to do so!
 
I'd like to be the first person to wish everyone Merry Chirstmas and Happy New Year.
How is that for being politically correct.
God Bless each and everyone here

Jack
 
I rather enjoy questioning those that wish me happy holidays.......I just won`t let it go until they tell me exactly what Holiday they are referring to.
By the way Merry Christmas to all!:)
 
It is ashamed that the country that introduced and brought democracy to the modern world has basically gone PC, squelching the freedoms that democracy brings.

There is a "introduction for teachers" guide circulating on Thanksgiving that totally distorts, twists the real historical Thanksgiving in order to diminish its meaning. PC thrusts can be seen all through it. However, many of the "facts" presented are in fact lies and not true. The REAL truth IS out there, if it is seriously wanted! :wink:

Shucks, in some ways, I see more and hear more freedom here in Japan concerning Christmas than in the US (Christmas displays on government property!)

An early Merry Christmas to all, and hoping you had a great Thanksgiving!
 
One of our local towns stopped the Christmas parads, now have to call it a holiday parade. Maybe nest year it will just be called a late in hte year parade, to go with the eary in the year parade and the mid year parade. They have probably totally banned the Veterans day parade
 
Xmas

Been reading with interest feelings on the festive season. In my church we are given the overbake at a Bakery once a week, this can vary from week to week but the minimum allows me to distribute to a number of people. On one occasion we had a real excess so I doorknocked and met and established a real friendship with thirty Iraq people all related either by blood or marriage. They left everything ,houses businesses etc following the shooting early this year of one man working as a senior management in engineering in the capital of Iraq together with the American manager in their car. They have limited but learning English and are wonderfull people.
So here we have Mormon me and Muslim them, all the woman and girls shake hands with my wife and me and last evening we talked with them about Xmas and we respect Ramadan for them as well.
So I am for absolute respect for respectful folks as well.
In our school system tolerance has become PC etc, sad really.

Enjoy your new President.
Regards Peter
 
Here in America we have a very bad habit of labeling people.. we have African Americans, Black American, Latino Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and on into adnauseam.

I hate the labels.. many of the so called African Americans roots can be traced back to the beginning of the United States... they haven't been "Africans" for 10+ generations. And in Texas they refer to the Mexican Americans... there were "Mexican Americans" in Texas long before there was a Texas.. You will find people in Texas with a supposed latin surname that are no more latino than I am. I have a close friend whose last name is Alvarez... very latin.. he's blond headed, blue eyed and was born in Memphis, TN. Yet he's classified as a Latin American... totally ridiculous.
Our new president was born in the state of Hawaii, of a white mother from Kansas (nearly the center of this country), and the closest he will ever be to being an African is the fact that his father was born in Africa, but to me he's only an American whose ancestry happens to be a mix of African and European.

My ancestry is of Irish, English, German, Scot and American Indian. My first marriage I married a woman of English and Italian descent, so my son has become an Irish, English, German, Scottish, Italian and Native American American. How insane can we get.

Merry Christmas, Happy Hannakah, Happy Kwanza, Happy New Year, and finally Happy any religious holiday I may have missed... or just deal with it.
 
Funny thing is, political correctness came about to supposely protect the rights (feelings!!) of some. Funny thing it, it takes the rights of the rest to do so!

There is NO constituational protection for your or anyone else's feelings! Go ahead and site us chapter and verse so we can all read it.....it's not there! There are very specific and enumerated rights.....protecting my feelings from being hurt is not there. Just as there is NO Seperation of 'Church & State'........only states that 'Congress' will make no law pertaining to the 'Establishment of Religion'......(that's an official state sanctioned church that we all must support with tax contributions). It does NOT forbid the expression of faith in the 'Public Square'. This country was founded for exactly this very purpose.....the freedom to worship as we please. You can worship exactly however/whomever or whatever you may please and I respect your right to do that......I on the other hand, also reserve my right to the same!

Wish you all a belated 'Happy Thanksgiving'.........and for an upcoming 'Merry Christmas' and a 'Very Happy New Year'!!!

Hang onto your chairs........it'll be a wild ride from January 20th!!!


:bananen_smilies022: Signing off for now..........Barney
 
Barney,

I think Cozee was taking aim at what PC is doing, not that it was instituted by Congress or is a law.

Laws are specific and have consequences if not followed or obeyed. It does not deal with "feelings" and there are generally no laws specific to that - except in law suits.

Political correctness on the other hand is a type of "badgering" that tries to tell people that their feelings are horrendous if not in alignment with a minority opinion. PC is used for the purpose of squelching opinions and feelings, and bringing said people into a wanted behavioral alignment from a certain controlling group. PC focuses its work on people where laws (currently?) does not go - their opinions, feelings, and personal philosophies - something once deemed the cornerstone of democracy.
 
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Barney,

I think Cozee was taking aim at what PC is doing, not that it was instituted by Congress or is a law.

Laws are specific and have consequences if not followed or obeyed. It does not deal with "feelings" and there are generally no laws specific to that - except in law suits.

Political correctness on the other hand is a type of "badgering" that tries to tell people that their feelings are horrendous if not in alignment with a minority opinion. PC is used for the purpose of squelching opinions and feelings, and bringing said people into a wanted behavioral alignment from a certain controlling group. PC focuses its work on people where laws (currently?) does not go - their opinions, feelings, and personal philosophies - something once deemed the cornerstone of democracy.


Yep!!!

There is NO constituational protection for your or anyone else's feelings! Go ahead and site us chapter and verse so we can all read it.....it's not there! There are very specific and enumerated rights.....protecting my feelings from being hurt is not there. Just as there is NO Seperation of 'Church & State'........only states that 'Congress' will make no law pertaining to the 'Establishment of Religion'......(that's an official state sanctioned church that we all must support with tax contributions). It does NOT forbid the expression of faith in the 'Public Square'. This country was founded for exactly this very purpose.....the freedom to worship as we please. You can worship exactly however/whomever or whatever you may please and I respect your right to do that......I on the other hand, also reserve my right to the same!

I fully wholeheartedly agree with what you have said. But as Lee observed in my statement, PCness is eroding the rights we have to worship freely as you have claimed. We have seen prayers in school be removed because of PCness. We Have seen the Ten Commandments removed from public buildings because of PCness. PCness does forbid the expression of faith in public simply because it may offend (hurt their feelings) another who believes differently. And this action of forbidding the freedom to worship is pointed almost solely at Christianity and no other religion. So besides stifling the right of one's freedom to worship, it is done in such a manner to discrimnate and segragate simply because of one faith alone.


Say it ain't so!!!!:wink::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
I agree with the point that being "PC" takes rights away from many to protect the feelings of few. I also question why someone who observes other holidays would be offended. If someone wished me a happy whatever, I would appreciate the sentiment. There is no need to feel threatened by someone's kind wishes.

Merry Christmas to all!

John
 
I've been watching this thread for a couple of days now, and just trying to come up with a good way to state my thoughts on it. and i finally found a good way to do it.
My general reaction to anyone that would get upset by me or anyone else wishing them a Merry Christmas actually has my heart felt sympathy. It has probably been pretty difficult putting up with themselves all their lives.
Sorry but if you are so hell bent to be miserable, you deserve all of it you can get.
having said that I don't think anyone should get offended by being told have a happy anything.
There are a lot of Muslims where I work. and I have had several pick a prayer location in a room that I needed into. It does not take long to know where they pray and at what times. so you simply do not go into that room during those times. I have other workers that will call the administration and make some big freakin deal about somebody praying while they are trying to work etc. etc. etc. It is called
"Respect", not agreement, not involvement, not even correct. I think our society could use a big movement in Respect.
 
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I've been watching this thread for a couple of days now, and just trying to come up with a good way to state my thoughts on it. and i finally found a good way to do it.
My general reaction to anyone that would get upset by me or anyone else wishing them a Merry Christmas actually has my heart felt sympathy. It has probably been pretty difficult putting up with themselves all their lives.
Sorry but if you are so hell bent to be miserable, you deserve all of it you can get.
having said that I don't think anyone should get offended by being told have a happy anything.
There are a lot of Muslims where I work. and I have had several pick a prayer location in a room that I needed into. It does not take long to know where they pray and at what times. so you simply do not go into that room during those times. I have other workers that will call the administration and make some big freakin deal about somebody praying while they are trying to work etc. etc. etc. It is called
"Respect", not agreement, not involvement, not even correct. I think our society could use a big movement in Respect.

Well said Daniel, I think that was what I was trying to say in my little tirade.
 
I think we can all give a tip of the Ax to the ACLU, for the advent of the buzz term Politically Correct. it's a load of crap. I want to wish you all a Merry Christmas, Feliz Navidad,Y` Prospero Anno Felicidad, as well as Shalom, Gutten Chaunaka und Gut Shabbos.
I'll wish everyone a good Ramadan in February. Y'all can shove PC where the Sun don't shine. JMHO
 
MUSINGS
When I was a Boy Scout, our troop in a Methodist church joined with a fellow troop in a local Catholic church that was closing.

The Scout leaders decided to have the entire troop, in uniform, visit both churches and attend the services.

The Priest met with us before the service and explained the order of service and the meanings behind the symbols.

Our Pastor did the same two weeks later.

To tell the truth, except for a few different words and different emphasis, I found both services to be almost identical.

After we had attended both services, our Scout Master asked us what we thought of the experience. Everyone enjoyed (appreciated) going and said it gave them a greater appreciation of how similar religions are. We later went to a local synagogue, and did the same thing, but we had to sit in a separate section. We asked a Muslim mosque if we could do that, but they declined.
 
1) I'm surprised that this thread has lasted this long.

2) can someone explain how PC has taken ANY rights away from anyone?

As I understand it, you can chose to be PC or not. No penalty if you don't. You can use the "N" word all you want. Publicly or privately and legally, no one can stop you. You may loose some respect and friends in many eyes, but they can't stop you. You can pray in school or any government building (Publicly funded schools just can't mandate a prayer time or lead it officially), you can wish someone an "Merry Christmas" and a cop can't write you a ticket for it. You can carry the holy book of your choice around all you want, no one can arrest you for having it anywhere in this country to my knowledge.

Businesses can chose to be PC as to not alienate customers or for other reason. Their choice, not yours. If you don't like their choice, stop doing business with them. Some businesses chose to promote their beliefs/feelings candidly. their choice, not yours. Do or don't do business with them as you want. No one is forcing you to accept anything that you don't want to.

The Government is supposed to represent ALL Americans. In that it is difficult to represent the belief's and feelings of all, I think they came to the conclusion that it's much more simple to represent none. I mean, how can you justify spending tax dollars on Christmas decorations and telling a (insert religion)ish person that you don't have the budget to buy decorations to represent their beliefs in the county square also. Is their religion less important than others? That is what you would be saying to them.

What I find sad is people claiming that something affects them in such a profound way, when the reality is that it has no effect on them except for the perceived effect in their own mind.

I have a very open mind, if someone can find any way they their rights have been impeded by PC, please share so that I can understand this better.
 
I guess I can see both sides of the fence.

I mean, if someone walked up to me and said "Happy Samhain!", I don't know how I would respond. I personally don't believe in Samhain, just as someone else may not believe in Christ. So, I guess I can understand where both sides are coming from.

I also think that while I'm personally a "Merry Christmas" person, I'm sure not to use it as an 'in-yo-face-unbeliever!' sort of way. I see a lot of people come out of the woodwork who get all up in arms over the idea of 'the reason for the season' who I rarely see in church or never get upset over anything else regarding religion.

I think one thing to remember is to take anything you hear from stores with a grain of salt. Most of them are to sell as much as they can and to not upset anyone and keep them from buying from them. Not to mention, I really doubt Jesus would be upset that a merchant peddling overpriced crap to people who can't afford it in the first place, even further slandering the season, would really be offended. I think He'd be more offended if the celebration of His birth was affiliated with 3/4 of the things we burden it with.
 
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I think He'd be more offended if the celebration of His birth was affiliated with 3/4 of the things we burden it with.



Oh yeah! That's the truth. I think he'd also take an ax to the tree since it's origins are in pagan seasonal ritual anyhow.



Now, I personally don't get offended at the "happy holiday" thing, although I do think it's about as pitifully petty as you can get to forbid your employees from saying it.

But if it's your standard non-Christian saying it, well that's fine with me, since I don't expect them to celebrate the birth of someone they don't worship to begin with. Now, as a Christian it's my honor and duty to give them the chance to follow Christ, but again, it's their choice and if they tell me to shut up talking to them, I can do that too.
 
1) I'm surprised that this thread has lasted this long.

2) can someone explain how PC has taken ANY rights away from anyone?

As I understand it, you can chose to be PC or not. No penalty if you don't. You can use the "N" word all you want. Publicly or privately and legally, no one can stop you. You may loose some respect and friends in many eyes, but they can't stop you. You can pray in school or any government building (Publicly funded schools just can't mandate a prayer time or lead it officially), you can wish someone an "Merry Christmas" and a cop can't write you a ticket for it. You can carry the holy book of your choice around all you want, no one can arrest you for having it anywhere in this country to my knowledge.

I've read articles in the not too distant past where a teacher who has been teaching something like 20 years at a local school with the "Bible" at his/her desk. It was never used in class, never reference during instructions.......just sitttin on the desk. The administrator/principle decided that the 'Bible' had to go (seperation of church & state....you know!). The teacher would not remove the "Bible", well (if I remember correctly) the teacher was fired.....court case insued.......and I believe they were reinstated.

No PC effect for doing NOTHING 'Illegal'.......it happens alot.....more that we know and really hear about.

The Government is supposed to represent ALL Americans. In that it is difficult to represent the belief's and feelings of all, I think they came to the conclusion that it's much more simple to represent none. I mean, how can you justify spending tax dollars on Christmas decorations and telling a (insert religion)ish person that you don't have the budget to buy decorations to represent their beliefs in the county square also. Is their religion less important than others? That is what you would be saying to them.

Forget using tax payers money......workers aren't even allowed to put up their own decorations. Government & papers refuse to even call the 'State Christmas Tree' a Christmas Tree.........it's a holiday tree. Who would be offended by the term "Christmas"? But this is another result of being "PC"........

Open your eyes and you'll get an eyeful.........

What I find sad is people claiming that something affects them in such a profound way, when the reality is that it has no effect on them except for the perceived effect in their own mind.

I'll agree there........

I have a very open mind, if someone can find any way they their rights have been impeded by PC, please share so that I can understand this better.

Oh, please.....can we all remember the 'Duke Rape Case'? If that wasn't a big dose of PC by the media, the prosecutor, the college administrators, faculity, staff and students & etc.......and as far as no one being hurt......get real!!!

Be PC if you wish, that OK with me. But there is a real problem when being 'Politically Correct' is used to shut people up that you don't agree with, or when it effects there right to legal/gainful employment!

Cann't remember at this moment the name of the college president (I think) when he gave what he thought as one reason women didn't attain higher degrees in the math and sciences........he was raked over the coals for offering up for discourse in an institute of higher learning (where there should be open discourse for differing opinions).......no matter what he said or to whom he apologize.........he lost his job! PC strikes again!!! Don't tell me that PC is harmless!!!!


:bananen_smilies022: This can go on forever......no time or desire to go further......better things and more fun things to do!

Signing off now.......Barney
 
Barney,

I think Cozee was taking aim at what PC is doing, not that it was instituted by Congress or is a law.

Laws are specific and have consequences if not followed or obeyed. It does not deal with "feelings" and there are generally no laws specific to that - except in law suits.

Political correctness on the other hand is a type of "badgering" that tries to tell people that their feelings are horrendous if not in alignment with a minority opinion. PC is used for the purpose of squelching opinions and feelings, and bringing said people into a wanted behavioral alignment from a certain controlling group. PC focuses its work on people where laws (currently?) does not go - their opinions, feelings, and personal philosophies - something once deemed the cornerstone of democracy.


Oh.....It's not lost on me! I fully understand the concept and the affects of the PC crowd and what happens when being PC is more important and being right/correct on a given subject. People have a nature and tendency to want to be accepted and fit in and in a PC environment they will more than likely let a lot of things slid.......for the sake to 'Getting Along!' That can go too far and once you're on that slippery slope....it goes down hill fast!!!!

There is a saying......."Evil flourishes where good men do nothing!" You won't loose your rights "wholesale"........you'll loose them one tiny bit at a time. As the story goes about the camel wanting to just stick his nose in the tent on a cold night to keep warm........little by little the camel was in the tent and the owner was outside in the cold!

:bananen_smilies022: Signing out once again.........
Barney
 
1) I'm surprised that this thread has lasted this long.

2) can someone explain how PC has taken ANY rights away from anyone?

Politically correct is the subtle badgering arm of ACLU mentality. No one wants to get sued but it happens when someone in retail doesn't conform to subtle and then overt pressures. No one wants to lose their job but non-PC conformity can cost a person their job - and you can bet the ACLU will fund the lawsuit.

Did you know that you can say GD to the US of A from a pulpit and support a member of said church by name for national elections and that is OK. But if you name a person of another gourp that supports certain belief principles - it is labeled as not PC and lambasted by the press. And the US government HAS in fact notified major church denominations that in national elections they can support principles but can NOT name a person by name from the pulpit? Why is it OK for one group that pushes PC but not OK for the other?

Did you know that you can own a mom & pop business and if you are open to the public, in some places, you can be sued to hire another worker for at least minimum wage for all of the hours that you are open - to speak another language if you, as the owner are not bilingual?

Did you know that one member here who worked for the State of . . asked for diagonal cutters by saying "hand me the dikes" and was given a letter of reprimand by the State?

Did you know that another person, an online friend from another forum - well I will quote him here: "I too came under the gun about that word (dike) and the word "peckerhead". I am a retired electrician and got myself jammed up with the people in the office one day when I told them that the peckerhead was missing on one of the grove pumps. A peckerhead is the termination box cover on the side or end of large electrical motors. Monkey wrench also is taboo as well as some other words and phrases used in the fields. Political correctness, is . .

Did you know that I was reprimanded by a store owner once for saying "Boy, its hot today!" while standing by a black fellow, a friend. He laughed at the stupidity of the reprimand! I shook my head and left - with my friend.

And you asked - explain how PC has taken ANY rights away from anyone? Can't talk without someone taking offense at innocent words and expressions.

I am respectful of ethnos and and am well aware of different ethnos and cultures far more than most people would guess. I get to see the insides of cultures that vacationing visitors, and short term workers never see. I don't meet these people on the governmental and commercial interaction level but rather at the point of their basic value system - who they are, who they wish to be. As a counselor too, I see the inside to this.

I do not see in other cultures except Euro/North American doing the PC stifling. Differences are noted in countries outside of those just mentioned without exploiting the differences and there is no insistence on generic commonality for PC purposes.

I was disappointed of you the bringing of the "N" word into the fold. No one was referring to that, unless I missed something. I grew up on a farm in the middle of the south where my closest white neighbor was about 4 miles away. So my childhood friends were black and they are still my friends. No one else brought this up. Were you trying to equate anti-PC people and prejudice as one and the same? That kind of implicating is wrong! If someone does bring it up, pounce on them! I will. But to suggest that anti-PC and prejudice are the same is plain wrong.

PC - DOES badger people and can causes some to lose jobs.
 
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Like Hank said, political correctness tries to create this generic commonality across the board, but it actually DIVIDES people instead of bringing them together. Instead of acknowledging that differences exist and learning to live with each other in spite of conflict, we've tried to create an environment where there are no differences and there is no conflict. SORRY, THAT WORLD DOES NOT EXIST!!! There is truth but people have to come to a knowledge of it of their own FREE will. You can't force it.
 
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