gerryr
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I just got this from a friend.
Jury for Michael Vick
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wood-of-1kind
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I'm "betting" that the dogs will win this case. Good one, Gerry.
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GaryMGg
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Hahahahahahahahaha
Texatdurango
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Too funny.......
It's a shame that even though sentenced, he'll probably never see the inside of a jail cell.
It's a shame that even though sentenced, he'll probably never see the inside of a jail cell.
Fred
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I think he ought to fo time in some guard dog training facility and let him be the 'target.' Now, just what are the Falcon's going to do about his time on the field? I for one will NEVER watch one second of them if he is allowed to play ever again. And I'm from GA! []
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OKLAHOMAN
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What's really starting to get to me is inteviews I'm seeing on ESPN from other athletes saying after its all said and done that they were ONLY dogs and animals are to be used for us humans.And Michael "Con" Vick is being harshley judged . They said it was just a slightly worse thing than hunting and killing a deer. How incredible is that comparing Hunting to dog fighting and then drowning and hanging the dogs. I am not a hunter and could not shoot Bambi and I"m also not a rancher and could not slaughter a cow, its just not in my make-up but I do eat steak and venison and thats the reason God put these animals here for our use not to be put into a closed ring and trained to fight and tear themselfs apart.
You hear every day on the news about a child who harms cats and dogs will grow up and harm humans, well this is supposed to be a grown man and would you trust your child to him.
To me harming a defenceless child or animal is a much worse offence than robbery. If you rob someone it just shows your to lazy to work or to stupid. If you harm an animal or child it shows your total disreguard for society and your total lack of decency.
You hear every day on the news about a child who harms cats and dogs will grow up and harm humans, well this is supposed to be a grown man and would you trust your child to him.
To me harming a defenceless child or animal is a much worse offence than robbery. If you rob someone it just shows your to lazy to work or to stupid. If you harm an animal or child it shows your total disreguard for society and your total lack of decency.
Geo in Winnipeg
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Throw him in jail with the general population. He will probably get the same treatment as child molesters and granny bashers. To inmates they are the scum of the earth.
Paul in OKC
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It amazes me that so much is made of this and other things that purtain to animals (and I do think he is in the wrong) yet this country still aborts babies! Where's the outcry for that? (sorry, probably too political, but had to say it)
neon007
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OK its time for me to chime in. I volunteer helping pit bulls and it makes me sick to see that he will only get a slap on the wrist. I wish I had 5 mins with him. I would put him in a room with 20 or so dogs and let them have at him.
I sadly see these dogs after they have been in fights. I have also had the horror of seeing bait dogs after they have had pits let loose on them for training. The people who fight and train these dogs should be charged with crimes as well. Once these dogs are trained they can not and I mean CAN NOT ever be regular family dogs and never trusted. All pit bulls who have been trained to fight must be put done humanly. The sad thing is most have never had any love or attention.
Pit bulls are very much people dogs. They are 50lb. lap dogs. They are great with children and have a high pain tolerance so they can put up with the tail and ear pulling like kids do, especially mine. They are couragous and fearless. Also, and this is mainly why they are chosen for fighting, they do fight to the death. That is why even the most nicest of pits should NEVER be left alone with small animals. When my dogs are with other dogs I keep an eye on them. Just in case.
90% of pit bull attacks that are not fighting dogs are provoked. This is fact. Also the #1 biting dogs in the US are cocker spanials and Chiuaus however you spell it. Those taco bell dogs. So as to not get off subject. I will never watch any football team that picks him up. And God please dont let my ravens take him. May he get hit by a bus twice, shot and thrown to the wolves.
Hey Joe you knew I was going to get in to this one.
I sadly see these dogs after they have been in fights. I have also had the horror of seeing bait dogs after they have had pits let loose on them for training. The people who fight and train these dogs should be charged with crimes as well. Once these dogs are trained they can not and I mean CAN NOT ever be regular family dogs and never trusted. All pit bulls who have been trained to fight must be put done humanly. The sad thing is most have never had any love or attention.
Pit bulls are very much people dogs. They are 50lb. lap dogs. They are great with children and have a high pain tolerance so they can put up with the tail and ear pulling like kids do, especially mine. They are couragous and fearless. Also, and this is mainly why they are chosen for fighting, they do fight to the death. That is why even the most nicest of pits should NEVER be left alone with small animals. When my dogs are with other dogs I keep an eye on them. Just in case.
90% of pit bull attacks that are not fighting dogs are provoked. This is fact. Also the #1 biting dogs in the US are cocker spanials and Chiuaus however you spell it. Those taco bell dogs. So as to not get off subject. I will never watch any football team that picks him up. And God please dont let my ravens take him. May he get hit by a bus twice, shot and thrown to the wolves.
Hey Joe you knew I was going to get in to this one.
Penmonkey
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I have been wondering the same thing for years. You're right on.
gerryr
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If the NFL commissioner has any guts, he will issue a lifetime ban on this creep. He has the authority to do it and I've seen several articles in newspapers calling for him to do just that. I hope he does it.
mrplace
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Well, is it any different than say trapping? Having a cold steel jaw slam shut on your foot, and then thrashing against it dislocating the joint, breaking the bone, and then having someone come by and either drown you, club you in the head or if your real lucky shoot you? Yet this is call "sport". I am indifferent, and am not an animal activist. Animals are animals, and until a few years ago humans treated other humans the same way. So why is everyone appalled by fighting animals?
Tanner
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I know dog fighting is illegal. That being said, I for the life of me can't figure out why someone that makes $10,000,000 per year (not including endorsements)and is supposed to be a hero for millions of kids would get involved in something like this. I see on TV that they want to blame it on the fact that he grew up poor. Well, I grew up very poor and you give me $10,000,000 per year and I can guarantee you I'll be a model citizen. I see this happen over and over with celebrities and sports stars. Then they think we care what they say about politics, sorry, your nothing but court jesters, there for entertainment, who cares what you think about politics.
PenWorks
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Someone that use to make 10 Mil a year [:0] [B)] [xx(]
OKLAHOMAN
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Lets compare apples with apples ..Trapping, hunting and yes even fishing I grant you hurts the animals in question but it is done for FOOD not sport and in the case of hunting for deer according to the wildlife service it helps to keep a more healty heard. If not thined out most would starve to death as there would be an overabundence of animals and not enough land to keep them fed. If trap for sport I would ask WHY? If you hunt just to shoot a deer and not the food I would also ask WHY? Yes I'm appalled by people fighting dogs,roosters or any other animal to the death. And to Paul and Penmonkey yes abortion, genocide and crimes againts women in some countries are all bad but this thread was about Animals and Mr. Michael "Con" Vick. Lets not go somewhere we should not go. And as to humans treating humans the same way a few years ago was not that the begining of the fall of the Roman Empire. Gladiators were slaves and had to fight for their lives to please the people. If I stepped on some toes here because I care about Animals and people so be it.
Texatdurango
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In my mind this story is not so much about a guy who is displaying cruelty to animals and is stupid enough to get involved in such a "sport" as it is someone breaking the law, snubbing his nose at the courts and society and getting off virtually scot free just because he's a celebrity.
In my city a few years ago a high school superstar carjacked a car and assaulted the female driver and instead of immediately going to jail, was released early in time to play ball Friday night… because the team was in the playoffs and needed him! He eventually went to a juvenile center… after the playoffs were over.
I’m sure after spending years being pampered, wrongdoings overlooked and their every whim catered to, most sport figures in the “pro†ranks feel they can pretty well do whatever they feel like because someone will come along and take care of things for them.
I’m curious to see where this story goes.
airrat
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Personally I think its time that athletes, actors/actresses, politicians and anyone else that feels they are above the law get what is coming to them.
I think Vick is going to get more then just a slap on the wrist. At least I hope he gets more and finds a nice "friend" in jail.
I think Vick is going to get more then just a slap on the wrist. At least I hope he gets more and finds a nice "friend" in jail.
mrplace
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OKLAHOMAN, I don't have sensitive toes, and I am not offended, or get my feelings hurt by dialog.[][]
Trapping is not a "Sport" for food, it is a commercial enterprise and I have seen photos with carcasses stacked taller than a human, of animals killed for luxury items. Humans’ were being maimed is a lot more recent than the Roman empire. My point was that people spend a lot of time, money, and effort screaming about animals, all the while women and kids are slaughtered in Darfur and Western Africa, and no one hardly quips about that. Another point, $20k dollars was spent to equip a dog that was run over and had his rear legs removed with a wheel around prosthetic, and our veterans can't even get a prosthetic.
We are at the top of the evolutionary chain, and people spend a lot of time elevating animals to a place they don't belong. I understand it was illegal, but that is not what is driving this. If it was Paris Hilton, Nicol Richie and numerous other celebrities would be crucified along beside Vick.
][]Trapping is not a "Sport" for food, it is a commercial enterprise and I have seen photos with carcasses stacked taller than a human, of animals killed for luxury items. Humans’ were being maimed is a lot more recent than the Roman empire. My point was that people spend a lot of time, money, and effort screaming about animals, all the while women and kids are slaughtered in Darfur and Western Africa, and no one hardly quips about that. Another point, $20k dollars was spent to equip a dog that was run over and had his rear legs removed with a wheel around prosthetic, and our veterans can't even get a prosthetic.
We are at the top of the evolutionary chain, and people spend a lot of time elevating animals to a place they don't belong. I understand it was illegal, but that is not what is driving this. If it was Paris Hilton, Nicol Richie and numerous other celebrities would be crucified along beside Vick.
Fred
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I also believe anyone attending these so called 'fights' is guilty of promoting an illegal enterprise, but how many 'spectators' are arrested and charged in this particular incident.
As far as comparing these 'enterprises' to the Roman gladiatorial fights ... isn't going to a boxing match, a football game, any contact 'sport' about the same thing? I for one do not and will not ever attend any such activity. I just do not believe that my money should go to promote and further fund these activities. Besides all that, is it really worth funding a sports activity and paying the 'poor ole player(s)' millions of dollars a year just to watch them bloody each other, break up the opponents bodies, cripple and mame each other whilw running some leather ball up and down a very expensie parcel of land? And when they do that everyone sits back and cries, "Oh my goodness what are we to do now."
Professional sports has taken the teaching of being fair and playing a clean game and destroyed the values that could have been 'learned.'
As far as comparing these 'enterprises' to the Roman gladiatorial fights ... isn't going to a boxing match, a football game, any contact 'sport' about the same thing? I for one do not and will not ever attend any such activity. I just do not believe that my money should go to promote and further fund these activities. Besides all that, is it really worth funding a sports activity and paying the 'poor ole player(s)' millions of dollars a year just to watch them bloody each other, break up the opponents bodies, cripple and mame each other whilw running some leather ball up and down a very expensie parcel of land? And when they do that everyone sits back and cries, "Oh my goodness what are we to do now."
Professional sports has taken the teaching of being fair and playing a clean game and destroyed the values that could have been 'learned.'
Rifleman1776
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Our local newspaper took a poll on what the readers thought should happen to Vick. By seven to one, the readers believe Vick should be banned from the NFL for life. Severity of prison sentance varied.
babyblues
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That's exactly what I can't figure out. Why? But I disagree that if you grow up poor and come into money like this you could be a model citizen. Money makes a lot of people act strange. People with money and celebrity status are exposed to things that most of us would never even think of. It's not as life most of us would be prepared to deal with.
Personally, I think that he should be punished as the law allows, but let's be reasonable here. If he was a blue collar worker, should he be banned from ever plying his trade again? That doesn't make sense. Football is his job. Granted, he has it better than most, but that's what he does for a living. There has to be some kind of rational limit here.
The reality is that you can't talk about something like this without bring in humanitarian concerns because it's all part of the same package...preserving and protecting life. I find it offensive that this dominates the news while genocide in Congo never even made the news for a minute. It's estimated that the Congolese war has taken over 3 million lives since 1996. 3 MILLION!!! In 1994, in approximately 100 days, it's estimated that close to 1 million people were killed. Do we have any concept of how many people that represents!? Makes dog fighting pretty insignificant to me. Did you know that even as we speak, genocide is being encouraged by the government in Congo!? It's still happening right now. The tribe being targeted includes relatives of personal friends of mine. Human life is far more valuable to me than the life of any animal. We were given the responsibility to care for this earth and all life on it, but preserving human life should come first.
wdcav1952
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Apples and organges anyone?
While we are at it, why doesn't someone bring up crucifiction, drawing and quartering, keelhauling and any other number of atrocities?
It simply makes no sense to compare the crimes for which Vick has pled guilty to existing horrific inequities in the world. Compared to Ruwanda and the Congo, Vick deserves a medal for kindness. If we follow this skewed line of reasoning, no one should be punished other than for genocide on a mass scale.
If we wish to discuss Vick, that is great, but to bring up so called examples to compare his case to such as the debate over abortion, genocidal wars, and hard hits on a football field is simply foolish.
While we are at it, why doesn't someone bring up crucifiction, drawing and quartering, keelhauling and any other number of atrocities?
It simply makes no sense to compare the crimes for which Vick has pled guilty to existing horrific inequities in the world. Compared to Ruwanda and the Congo, Vick deserves a medal for kindness. If we follow this skewed line of reasoning, no one should be punished other than for genocide on a mass scale.
If we wish to discuss Vick, that is great, but to bring up so called examples to compare his case to such as the debate over abortion, genocidal wars, and hard hits on a football field is simply foolish.
neon007
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I will just add this. This should let people know where I stand. If it came down to saving the life of a stranger or my dogs life. Well some poor family would would be one short. Im not being mean or anything. Just how I feel. OK that being said, I will tell you why I feel that way. Human beings are the only animals on the planet that kill and hurt just for fun....Actually after doing a lil research I found that besides humans there is only one other animal in the world that kills for no reason. That animal has been domesticated. It would be the cat. all wild cats kill out of defense or for food. The domestic cat kills to show its master that it can. Humans do the same thing. I find nothing wrong with hunting if it is for food or defense. Believe me as much as I am an animal lover and also work for the aspca. I am also a hunter. I hunt for two reasons. To eat and to help control the population.
Today this vick thing was brought up at work. I had someone try to say that a dog fight is the same as boxing or that ultimate fighting. I find nothing wrong with boxing or any violent sport. Reason being for example. When two guys get in the ring they make that choice to do so. I am all for watching. However a dog cant say I want to. They are not given a choice. If they don't fight they are beat or killed. Usually killed. If they lose they are killed. Unlike a boxer or fighter who can live to fight another day.
Suppose we were not at the top of the food chain. How many people would like to be put in a ring and made to fight to the death? Not to many I'm sure. As far as aborted babies an beaten women and things. I feel the same way. We just happen to be talking about dog fighting. If someone would have posted a topic on that matter. I'm sure we would be bitching just as much.
Today this vick thing was brought up at work. I had someone try to say that a dog fight is the same as boxing or that ultimate fighting. I find nothing wrong with boxing or any violent sport. Reason being for example. When two guys get in the ring they make that choice to do so. I am all for watching. However a dog cant say I want to. They are not given a choice. If they don't fight they are beat or killed. Usually killed. If they lose they are killed. Unlike a boxer or fighter who can live to fight another day.
Suppose we were not at the top of the food chain. How many people would like to be put in a ring and made to fight to the death? Not to many I'm sure. As far as aborted babies an beaten women and things. I feel the same way. We just happen to be talking about dog fighting. If someone would have posted a topic on that matter. I'm sure we would be bitching just as much.
gerryr
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Very well said, Mr. Cavanaugh. I've been wishing I had never made this post since it seems to have been drug far off topic by people with their own agendas and causes. My only purpose was a little humor.
Texatdurango
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Perhaps that's part of the problem in this case. Society has become so complacent with every day crime, they rationalize and trivialize anything that suits their needs and are willing to overlook these "little infractions" and holler... "Play ball"! After all, these are JUST animals and no REAL harm was done, and it’s not like he committed a real crime!
Had it been a real crime, I’m sure the NFL commissioner would have stepped up and levied a fine or at least a two week suspension! [xx(]
mrplace
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I have to agree with Texatdurango. The whole point was the emphasis people are putting on animals. Animals are unimportant, but more people will rally to defend animal rights than human rights. That was my point in the comparison. Neon laid it out perfectly, that was a perfect example of today’s society’s view. It was all to show how skewed people’ thinking is in relation to animals.
As I said before, other celeb's don't get that kind of attention when they do something illegal, only reason the spotlight is on Vick is because of the animals, not because it was illegal.
As I said before, other celeb's don't get that kind of attention when they do something illegal, only reason the spotlight is on Vick is because of the animals, not because it was illegal.
Mr. Cavanaugh made the point very nicely above. As important as these other issues may be, I don't think it was really necessary to connect them to the original post.
I'm locking this before someone claims that forced child laborers make pen kits in China. Sadly, they probably do.
I'm locking this before someone claims that forced child laborers make pen kits in China. Sadly, they probably do.
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