KenV
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Dean started a review on the Rolling Righter inserts several days back. After about 90 posts and a lot of perspectives, it seems like a new thread here is appropriate.
See the thread Dean started at:
http://www.penturners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=73677
I had chased the threads on a Baron fountainpen and have has several weeks of good success using it as an alternative nib to a conventional fountain pen. There was a lot of discussion about Jr Gents, so I ordered a sample of 10 Jr Gent fountain pen kits to try. I also ordered Rolling Righter inserts from two vendors - one Schmidt brand named and the other Private Reserve. The vendors (Richard Greenwald and Mike Kennedy) both offer 6.4 by 0.5 mm taps. Visual observation indicates that these are identical in detail and are interchangable.
I have a tapco 6.4 X 0.5 tap I got with Heritance nibs and feeds some time back.
Jr Gents
I ordered a mixture of postable an non-postable fountianpens.
4 were rhodium plated
3 were gold titanium plated
3 were black titanium plated.
All came with compontents in small bags labled Daycom.
I removed the stock nibs from all 10 lower nib sections.
I lightly tried to insert the Rolling Righter cartridge into the nib section. I met resistance and did not push very hard. I probably could have inserted the Rolling Righter into the Rhodium plated sections.
I chased all 10 nib sections with the tap using finger pressure on the tap. No tap wrench, pliers, etc were used - just fingers. Chasing was done from the nib end with the tap checked from the opposite end to assure clear theads.
Rhodium plating were the easiest to chase - little finger pressure was needed and minor flakes of plating were shown on the gullets of the tap.
Gold Ti was the most difficult in general with one tight spot on a Black Ti that was tight also.
Black Ti was in between the Rhodium and Black Ti for effort to hold the tap.
Results
Following the chasing of the threads, the Rolling Righter insert easily threaded into the nib section. The stock threaded nibs were also threaded into the nib sections and set firmly (bottomed out with firm tension)
Ken's Conclusions
Based on this sample of 10 -- the threads on the stock nibs are threaded a few tenths of a mm smaller than the 6.4 mm tap, with similar thread spacing. Visual observation suggests the thread pitch is a bit more coarse, but close.
Chasing the threads does provide a consistency for the threads in the nib section. Thread chasing is an old technique to assure that threads are consistent, especially when putting together components where there is not specified controls on the components, as well as restoring damaged threads.
By chasing the threads, the Rolling Righter can be used in the Jr Gent fountain pen components as an alternative to the conventional fountain pen nib.
Synthesis -- the threads are similar enough after chasing that the components are interchangable. The Rolling Righter is a bit smaller than the tap and the standard nibs are a bit smaller than the rolling righer. The differences in thread pitch are minor and while are apparent when looking for differences, are not felt when putting or removing compinents from the nib section. Well within manufacturing tolerances given the different component streams. Side note -- upgrade nib and feed assemblies should be a better fit with thread chasing as the Rolling Righter and Heritance nibs are very similar.
Rolling Righter - This is a rolling ball fountain pen ink delivery system that allows some of the neat advantages of fountainpen ink (like neat colors) and a fountain pen like feel without some of the disadvantages of conventional fountain pen nibs.
These do not make a roller ball out of a fountain pen -- but look and hold like a roller ball. The ink does wick easily so putting one of these into a shirt pocket without a cap will work just like putting a fountain pen nib into the pocket without a cap -- a large blot of ink.
Marketing opportunity - I am looking at the Rolling Righter as a consumable component for these fountain pens. I am planning to package a couple of these with the stock fountain pen nib and a few universal ink refills and the ink pump. At under $3 each, the Rolling Righter allows those who like fountain pen ink, but not the hassle to use a fountain pen.
Disclaimer - I am not a fountain pen person. I am not steeped in the culture of fountain pens. I am one of those who is not willing to submit to the associated hassles of fountain pen use on a regular basis, but am thinking about using the rolling righter because I like the line feel of writing with it. I have already stained shirts with roller balls and gel refills in parker style pens and expect that I will do that with a rolling righter as some time in the future.
See the thread Dean started at:
http://www.penturners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=73677
I had chased the threads on a Baron fountainpen and have has several weeks of good success using it as an alternative nib to a conventional fountain pen. There was a lot of discussion about Jr Gents, so I ordered a sample of 10 Jr Gent fountain pen kits to try. I also ordered Rolling Righter inserts from two vendors - one Schmidt brand named and the other Private Reserve. The vendors (Richard Greenwald and Mike Kennedy) both offer 6.4 by 0.5 mm taps. Visual observation indicates that these are identical in detail and are interchangable.
I have a tapco 6.4 X 0.5 tap I got with Heritance nibs and feeds some time back.
Jr Gents
I ordered a mixture of postable an non-postable fountianpens.
4 were rhodium plated
3 were gold titanium plated
3 were black titanium plated.
All came with compontents in small bags labled Daycom.
I removed the stock nibs from all 10 lower nib sections.
I lightly tried to insert the Rolling Righter cartridge into the nib section. I met resistance and did not push very hard. I probably could have inserted the Rolling Righter into the Rhodium plated sections.
I chased all 10 nib sections with the tap using finger pressure on the tap. No tap wrench, pliers, etc were used - just fingers. Chasing was done from the nib end with the tap checked from the opposite end to assure clear theads.
Rhodium plating were the easiest to chase - little finger pressure was needed and minor flakes of plating were shown on the gullets of the tap.
Gold Ti was the most difficult in general with one tight spot on a Black Ti that was tight also.
Black Ti was in between the Rhodium and Black Ti for effort to hold the tap.
Results
Following the chasing of the threads, the Rolling Righter insert easily threaded into the nib section. The stock threaded nibs were also threaded into the nib sections and set firmly (bottomed out with firm tension)
Ken's Conclusions
Based on this sample of 10 -- the threads on the stock nibs are threaded a few tenths of a mm smaller than the 6.4 mm tap, with similar thread spacing. Visual observation suggests the thread pitch is a bit more coarse, but close.
Chasing the threads does provide a consistency for the threads in the nib section. Thread chasing is an old technique to assure that threads are consistent, especially when putting together components where there is not specified controls on the components, as well as restoring damaged threads.
By chasing the threads, the Rolling Righter can be used in the Jr Gent fountain pen components as an alternative to the conventional fountain pen nib.
Synthesis -- the threads are similar enough after chasing that the components are interchangable. The Rolling Righter is a bit smaller than the tap and the standard nibs are a bit smaller than the rolling righer. The differences in thread pitch are minor and while are apparent when looking for differences, are not felt when putting or removing compinents from the nib section. Well within manufacturing tolerances given the different component streams. Side note -- upgrade nib and feed assemblies should be a better fit with thread chasing as the Rolling Righter and Heritance nibs are very similar.
Rolling Righter - This is a rolling ball fountain pen ink delivery system that allows some of the neat advantages of fountainpen ink (like neat colors) and a fountain pen like feel without some of the disadvantages of conventional fountain pen nibs.
These do not make a roller ball out of a fountain pen -- but look and hold like a roller ball. The ink does wick easily so putting one of these into a shirt pocket without a cap will work just like putting a fountain pen nib into the pocket without a cap -- a large blot of ink.
Marketing opportunity - I am looking at the Rolling Righter as a consumable component for these fountain pens. I am planning to package a couple of these with the stock fountain pen nib and a few universal ink refills and the ink pump. At under $3 each, the Rolling Righter allows those who like fountain pen ink, but not the hassle to use a fountain pen.
Disclaimer - I am not a fountain pen person. I am not steeped in the culture of fountain pens. I am one of those who is not willing to submit to the associated hassles of fountain pen use on a regular basis, but am thinking about using the rolling righter because I like the line feel of writing with it. I have already stained shirts with roller balls and gel refills in parker style pens and expect that I will do that with a rolling righter as some time in the future.
