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I am trying to ascertain whether a certain person is BONAFIDE or just making up a name. I would appreciate someone in the USA to call the Hospital and see if that person is who he says he is
Raj Dave', MD, FACC., FSCAI
Chairman, Endovascular Medicine
Pinnacle Health Heart and Vascular Institute@ Harrisburg Hospital
Director, Central PA CV Research Institute
Harrisburg, PA 17110

This person said he wanted pens for a conference, further emails he wants 200 pens, further emails he wants free samples of Emperors!!!!! he'll send them back after he has looked at them!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for your help in advance, Amos
 
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Curtis I did try google but didn't find that link. Thank you.
Maybe, some turners there might try contacting him and see if they can do a deal with him re pens! he MUST see samples and I am not willing to send Emperors etc, Amos
 
I don't think I would . . .

WoodenInk said:
I am trying to ascertain whether a certain person is BONAFIDE or just making up a name. I would appreciate someone in the USA to call the Hospital and see if that person is who he says he is
Raj Dave', MD, FACC., FSCAI
Chairman, Endovascular Medicine
Pinnacle Health Heart and Vascular Institute@ Harrisburg Hospital
Director, Central PA CV Research Institute
Harrisburg, PA 17110

This person said he wanted pens for a conference, further emails he wants 200 pens, further emails he wants free samples of Emperors!!!!! he'll send them back after he has looked at them!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for your help in advance, Amos
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I don't think I would send anyone a "FREE SAMPLE" for anything that I had to make by hand and had any cost what so ever in. Perhaps a deposit charged to his credit card for at least 50% of the value of the pens sent would be reasonable.

Another thing to look at, does he want 200 if he likes them?

If he does, will your fine craftsmanship simply become "cloned" by his brother in-law in India.

It has been my experience that people from countries with cheap labor are very unlikely to pay top dollar for "handmade" craftsmanship . .

If this deal comes out as initially proposed, please feel free to chastise me . . .

Go ahead and beat be up, I'm a realist with experience . . .

Steve
 
Wow Steve, you draw some amazing conclusions based on the guys name. Maybe you should post a list of "approved" names so we all know who we can trust. Just because you have had some bad experiences doesn't mean we should automatically stop trusting everyone.

BTW, in case you didn't notice, there's a lot of cheap labor right here in the US and even in the poorest countries there are people who have money who do pay top dollar for quality.
 
Amos, the whole thing sounds fishy to me, too.

I checked as much as I could here. As Curtis said, there is a doctor with that hospital and initials, and such.

There are two things you can do to have him verify his intentions and identity.
1) Ask him where he did his residency, what conference are they to be made for. You can check that link Curtis mentioned regarding his place serving his residency. If he gives you the name of a conference and date, do a search. These events need to be planned well enough ahead of time for it to be posted.
2) I would tell him the charge for a Majestic is - - - and if you want one, pay that amount and I'll send it to you. Tell him there are NO SAMPLES of any pen. Let him know that payment for all 200 must clear your bank before you start making them. And of course you need to know how much time you have for producing 200 Majestics.

If he IS for real, chances are he will comply. No money, no pen.

That is just my opinion
 
It's too bad he's not STILL doing his residency. I could have stopped in to
see him this afternoon. ( I was there )

There's a real doctor by that name at the address listed etc. and this can
be verified by search engines.

What you need is a way to contact him via telephone, and even the numbers
listed for his company won't do you any good. It's an answering service and they
take over 3000 calls a day for these doctors.

Need a better phone number..
 
I would not send an expensive pen for free...if he's looking for samples for a large order, I'd stipulate that he could buy the first one to test the quality, with the caveat that he could return it if he didn't like it...but money would have to be sent first.

But then again, I tend to think the worst when things look odd.
 
Keep it simple.
Just tell the guy dr. Whatever. Do this tell the guy. Sure doc I will have a sample dropped off to you at the hospital lucky for you I have a very good friend that works right by the hospital and I have already sent the sample pen(s) to him to take to you will
you please let me know when a good time to meet him is. Thanks....

If he squirms out of meeting in person tell him to hit the dirt. If he is happy to meet at the hospital well good deal.
 
Update

Thank you for all your responses, via a PM, I have one Pen Turner friend , who actually has one of my Emperors, who will contact the person on my behalf on Monday. From there I will proceed as guided by him.

I contacted my friends here on IAP, because of the unusal request of actually sending "free samples" actual request was for more than just Emperors.
The advice that they give a 50 percent refundable deposit seems a good idea,
Your general warnings and cautions are deeply appreciated. Thank you again, Amos
 
Yep just like I said. You will see real quick if this guy is serious or full of it when he has to meet with someone in person.
Keep us in the loop I am interested to know how this turns out.
 
Best solution . . .

Chief Hill said:
Keep it simple.
Just tell the guy dr. Whatever. Do this tell the guy. Sure doc I will have a sample dropped off to you at the hospital lucky for you I have a very good friend that works right by the hospital and I have already sent the sample pen(s) to him to take to you will
you please let me know when a good time to meet him is. Thanks....

If he squirms out of meeting in person tell him to hit the dirt. If he is happy to meet at the hospital well good deal.
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You have the best idea . . .

Steve
 
Chief Hill said:
Keep it simple.
Just tell the guy dr. Whatever. Do this tell the guy. Sure doc I will have a sample dropped off to you at the hospital lucky for you I have a very good friend that works right by the hospital and I have already sent the sample pen(s) to him to take to you will
you please let me know when a good time to meet him is. Thanks....

If he squirms out of meeting in person tell him to hit the dirt. If he is happy to meet at the hospital well good deal.
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Actually; I live in Harrisburg, PA about 1/2 mile from Associated Cardioligists.

If it goes south, I could get a friend of mine, "Sammy The Hook" to go talk to him. :bye: Sammy is a behavior modification specialist. He modifies peoples behavior by tapping on the knee caps with a hammer.:eek:
 
It bugs me that he has contacted you as you are residing in Australia. Thats a bit far for you to 'reach out and talk' to him IF there are any problems that may develop. I wonder why he did not contact someone more local unless he is aware of your quality of work by some chance?

For the cost of doing business with this large an order and the material/kit costs I would have to be mighty satisfied well in advance if it was me! :eek:

Do keep us posted of your progress with this endeavor!
 
You could leave a message with his answering service. Tell him you would like to discuss the possibilities over the phone and ask him to give you a call when he has a few minutes.

If he doesn't call you back, well, there's your answer.
 
Fred, what concerned me was that he was not up front about "samples" in the first place; first he asked about my pens on the website, www.woodenink.com; I gave an answer and then he started up with "samples". Had been up front, I would have answered him in a different way, and explained some details etc.; but it did seem to me that I was being "baited"; so I asked for advice here on this Forum-- and got it!!!, I will report back with any further dealings as the new week unfolds and my dear friend and "American Representative" trys to contact the person. Amos
 
I'd simply say, the emporer is x amount of dollars plus x amount for shipping. Pens do not leave my studio unless paid for. If you do not like the pen, I guarantee a full refund of the pen price minus the shipping once the pen makes it back into my hands. Otherwise I regret that I can not assist you. Simple as pie. Even if the guy is real, legite, does tons of business with you, down the road he wants you to comp him 10 pens, you don't do it. You are a business.
 
If he is genuine he can PayPal you the price of the sample and when you get it back you can refund his account, easy. Works both ways as he can raise an action with PayPal if required, should he think he will get ripped off.

In my experience, someone who is going to place a large order will first of all order one pen to check quality, communication, postage time etc.. If happy then they place the larger order!
 
JimB said:
Wow Steve, you draw some amazing conclusions based on the guys name. Maybe you should post a list of "approved" names so we all know who we can trust. Just because you have had some bad experiences doesn't mean we should automatically stop trusting everyone.

BTW, in case you didn't notice, there's a lot of cheap labor right here in the US and even in the poorest countries there are people who have money who do pay top dollar for quality.
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So Jim, would you send out the free samples of the Emperors?
 
Final Update

As promised I am keeping you all in the loop.
I implemented the suggestions by all, and the help offered generously by Randy.
Emailed the person and said, " I have a representative that is 1.2 miles from you, I understand you need to see the quality, so I will airmail him the pens and he will come in and see you personally"; the answer-------
--------Thank you for your generous offer
We already have made new arrangemnets and no longer interested.
Thanks again,-----

This has certainly been a great learning experience-- but, be assured of this--NO WAY I would send a "free" sample of an Emperor, I had already suggested the PayPal option to the man, that had been rejected. If he was genuine, the option of a real live person with a couple of my pens, representing me , would have been a good alternative. Some how I just can't but help feeling that he was trying to take me for a ride. Amos
 
Some how I just can't but help feeling that he was trying to take me for a ride. Amos[/QUOTE said:
You think so?

I guess my paranoid based pre-judgment may have been politically inappropriate as another poster told me . . . but it sure seems like it was right on target . . .

I see it like the guys from Nigeria trying to share $$$$$$ with you if you will only cash a check for them . . . . I love that one . . But people do it every day . .

Take care . . . glad you did not lose anything . . . .

Steve
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Great catch Amos glad I could help. As I always say, can't con a con, not that I am but I have learned a few tricks along the ride of "life"
complanys always are willing to send samples with a posibility if a large order.
You would be amazed at what sales people offer to get a possible sale or just to get their names out there.
Example, pretend for a second you own a handmade bowl/pen/pendent factory. You need 75 lathes, parts, tooling, install blah blahhh....... And your bidding to tendor 3 complanys will be looked at and tested. You want to do a test and evaluation... Don't think for 1 second I couldn't get a free jet mini in a second.
If you know how the sales and marketing works for large company's they have a huge budget for evauations, freebies etc. FYI every single tool type diy show on tv using tools were all donated. I Always look for deals little freebies etc you just have to know what to look for. In the case above Dr's get freebies all the time, meds, books, surgical eq, so it's not odd that he would want a free sample. It's simply a immoral but legal scam people do. Ask for a free sample if you give it away willingly it's not illegal.

I can only imagin the free crap this guy has by using his signature.
Sorry about spelling doing this on iPhone
 
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