I want to start turning bowls..???

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OK guys, I love turning pens, but I want to mix it up a little. I figure, I could start with small bowls with cheap wood. I have all of the basics for turning pens.

What else will I need to turn bowls? I dont have a lot of money, so the minimum of what I will need will be great.. I have a small 3 jaw chuck as well, but it is cheap.

Also, who on the forums here have cheap bowl blanks that I could start with?

Any ideas, comments and tips are greatly appreciated as I always trust our members judgment.

Thanks in advance
Brian
 
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Face plate to fit your chuck or any jaws you may be using. I highly suggest getting another chuck with four jaws just to improve your mounting anything four sided in the future.

Be sure to Google bowl turning and watch as many of the videos as you can stand. Then get back here and lets see how confused you are and where we need to go from there.

BTW, bowl turning is a blast ... especially when you get into large sized pieces.

Have fun!
 
Bowl gouges and scrapers would be good to have as well, at least to start with. Later, you'll want more specialized tools. You might even make some of your own. And, when does a wood turner NOT want more tools.

Bowl turning is a much slower process than pens. If you start with wet wood, which is easier to cut, you'll have to rough the bowl blank out, then let it dry before you can finish it. If you start with wood that is already dry, it is usually harder to turn.

Good luck

BTW, are you anywhere near Swiftwater?
 
Thanks for the advice. I am about 35 miles from swiftwater, but if you know the area, just about everything is at least 20 miles LOL.

Bowl gouges and scrapers would be good to have as well, at least to start with. Later, you'll want more specialized tools. You might even make some of your own. And, when does a wood turner NOT want more tools.

Bowl turning is a much slower process than pens. If you start with wet wood, which is easier to cut, you'll have to rough the bowl blank out, then let it dry before you can finish it. If you start with wood that is already dry, it is usually harder to turn.

Good luck

BTW, are you anywhere near Swiftwater?
 
I started bowl turning before I started pen turning. IMO the absolute must haves are: a 4 jaw scroll chuck, a 3/8" bowl gouge, and a face plate. As always there will be some conjecture on these recomendations but from my experience, these are the 3 tools that made my learning curve the easiest. I have expanded my arsenal to include a 1/2" bowl gouge and a 1.25" Crown bowl scraper.

If you haven't, pick up Keith Rowley's "Woodturning - a Foundation Course". It is good reading material as an intro into turning in general, and has a section dedicated to turning bowls and the like. After you are done, Youtube as many bowl turning videos as you can - this will help you observe tool presentation and such. Also google Richard Raffan and his techniques - here is a sample: http://images.taunton.com/roughturning.pdf

FWIW - the method that I found easiest was to mount your blank to your faceplate, turn the outside of the bowl and leave either a tennon or a recess (depending upon the diameter of your bowl) Be sure to sand, decorate, and finish the bottom of the tennon/recess as you won't be able to do that again while on the lathe. My method for turning the outside of the bowl is to start in the middle and pull the gouge through to the shape I'm looking for. After turning the outside shape of the bowl, mount the tennon into the scroll chuck and begin hollowing - to hollow, either create a dimple in the middle and work towards that dimple, or drill a small hole and work towards the hole from the outside in - don't drill too deep.

Finally, with regard to wood selection - turning green is generally easier when first starting out because the wood is more forgiving - i.e. you can take larger shavings, it is easier on your tools, etc. - however, you will find that turning green wood will require that you either rough turn, bag, wait - or turn very thin (1/4") walls and let the piece warp. Also, you will notice more pronounced tear out with green wood as you encounter the end grain - with good tool presentation and use of a shear cut, you can overcome this - but don't expect to eliminate it at this stage without a lot of sanding. Further, before you apply your finish, you will want to wait until the moisture content in the bowl has equalized.

With all that said - I don't recommend you start with green wood - you will likely become down on yourself for not being able to produce a bowl free from tearout and/or checking due to moisture loss. I recommend that your first 2-3 bowls be turned from a dry, mundane piece of maple or cherry - with mundane being code for stable and no more than 3" thick. You should be able to find something relatively cheap from your local hardwood dealer (or someone here on the forum). Once you have the hang of it however, start turning that wet wood. You will quickly find that most of it can be had for free, it is easier to turn, and can yeild you good results once you have your techniques down.

With regards to shape and size - I recommend turning cereal bowl size/shape first - they are easy to deal with and shouldn't cause your lathe to dance around too bad. Use good screws in your faceplate, you don't want your bowl flying around the shop. Don't stand in the line of fire - i.e. off to one side (in my case, I'm always behind the bowl) Wear eye protection. Same rules that apply for pen turning - good ventilation and a dust mask are required.

Feel free to PM if you have additional questions...
 
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You should avoid bowl turning at all costs! It sucks you in just like pen turning. First it is "I'll just turn the simple candy dish for the table". The next thing you know it is lidded boxes, hollow forms with those pesky finials, platters and that sneaky segmented bowl! What honey, you need another lathe? RUN!!!

Too late?

On the wood question: practice on free wood. This is a great time to pick it up because lots of folks are trimming their trees. Here in TX, the spring storms always supply alot for me. Like pens, you need to practice. I use the plain jane stuff to try different shapes. One of my neighbors rebuilt his fence, he had alot of 2" and 3" ceder in different lengths, I got the scraps to try different shapes. I keep some of the prototypes around to hold pen parts while I am assembling pens.

Green wood is fun because it turns fast and you get great big long ribbons and it cuts easy. Dry wood give you a finished bowl faster.

I use a chuck and turn a tenon. To finish the bottom, I made a donut chuck. Took about 15 minutes to do.

For tools, I like my roughing gouge, I have a couple of bowl gouges and a curved scraper has become my best friend.

There are lots of utube videos out there (some are even helpful) and a couple of other forums that offer great advice.

Lee, I think it is a tie on the cost!

Enjoy yourself and be sure to post some photos.
 
Brian,

Lots of good advice in the posts here. As to inexpensive blanks, go local like Mark suggested while you are learning. I've not been to Hawley, but I am pretty sure it has some great cherry and maple like the Williamsport area has. Definitely practice on free wood. I just cracked a Norfolk pine blank last night, and it hurt a LOT worse than ruining a piece of maple from down the street.
 
Get a copy of Bill Grumbine's videos-he has two of them. Then Mahoney's video. If you have a mentor it is even better, but Grumbine does a great job of simplifying the process and takes you from tree to bowl. I've just started turning bowls and along with hollow form turning, haven't turned a pen in months!
 
There's a lot of good advice already posted so I'll just add a few things. You don't actually NEED a chuck. You can mount (actually re-mount) the blank using the waste block method then part off the finished bowl.

You do need a bowl gouge. Do not use your pen turning tools to turn a bowl. It's dangerous. This can get confusing since like other tools there are different sizes and styles (grinds). If you are making smaller bowls then probably a 3/8" regular grind would be your best choice. If you start making larger bowls you will probably want a 1/2" or 5/8" fingernail grind.

A full face shield is also a good idea rather than just safety glasses.

WARNING - Start your lathe on the slowest speed. Bowls are not pens. You don't turn them at 3000 RPM. You always start a bowl blank at the slowest speed your lathe has.
 
I statred turning bowls a few months ago, WATCH OUT first thing was a chuck, barracuda 2000 ONLY 135.00 BUT it was a sound investment because now I can drill pen blanks on my wood lathe rather than dirty up my metal lathe. Faceplate, came with my lathe, Richard Raffans books are well worth the money and he has updated the one on bowls, FIND a wood turning club, as far as tools, a good HSS or Carbide scraper will get you most of the way, but you still really need a bowl gouge to finish a bowl nicely, Some guys say no a heavy duty scraper is all you need, Look at their work.
I thought that was all I needed then I got to use a good bowl gouge .Sorry I was sadly mistaken and at the time rather a pompous ass. A scraper is good for flattening a bottom or roughing, but to refine the inside of a bowl NOT. shear scraping with a good bowl gouge is an experience to be savored, roughing with a carbide roughing tool is also kind of fun. But try and find a club and most guys will show you more in a meeting than you can learn by screwing around on you own in a month, even with the best of books.
 
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