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run91

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Good morning everyone,
I have been out of the pen turning for quite a while, just to venture out some. I am now starting again. My question is what do they mean by Jr. kits and Sierras kits etc. I have some blanks that sayJr. kit, so what pen kits do they mean? Hope this makes sense . Thanks and a good day.

Mr. Bob
 
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You can usually make them work with slight variations in length, but tube diameter is less forgiving. It's not exactly "standardized", but typically these styles use the same tube dimensions. I would take measurements to be certain.
 
The " Jr. " designation refers to a "family" of pen kits, sort of epitomized by the general architecture of the " Jr. Gentleman " pen kit. . .

See for example : https://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/p/2/6696/apprentice-Jr.-Gentlemens-II-Pen-Kit?term=jr.+gentleman's+pen&term=jr. gentleman's pen

There is also a " Gentleman " pen kit, or commonly called a Full-Size Gent, which is a little larger.

Notice that the naming often includes a number, such as " Jr. Gentleman 2 ", or " Jr. Gentleman II "

That started about 12 or so years ago when very slight design changes were made to the " Gentleman " kit, yielding the " Gentleman II ".
The " Jr. " or " Junior ", obviously, refers to a reduced size version.

There is quite a large " family " of similarly shaped pen kits including, but not limited to : Jr. Antony ( my preference, a gorgeous kit ), Jr. Aaron, Jr. Statesman, ..... and a raft of Jr. This and Jr. That. . . I think that most of these originate at the Dayacom company. . . The PSI Majestic kits are modelled on these, I believe, and include a " Jr. Majestic ". . . The distinguishing feature of all the " Jr. " kits is the size of brass tubes used, a 12.5mm brass tube for the cap and a 10.5mm brass tube for the barrel ..... the lengths of the tubes are much the same but there are differences.
The " Jr. " family of pen kits are mostly rollerballs and fountain pens, but there are some ballpoints, if I am not mistaken.

Now, on to the " Sierra " pen kits. . These are some of the most well-recognized and well-respected pen kits ever. . . The original Sierra, it would seem, originally comes from the Berea Hardwoods company. . It has been around for a long time .... 20 years, or so ?? . . You will find closely similar pen kits from a number of companies ..... I won't even try to list them all because I would be erroneous about some, there are so many.
These are all ballpoints, operated by a twist action or by a click mechanism. . They are all single-barrel and use a Parker refill.

Watch for the names " Wall Street II " from Woodcraft, " Manhattan " from Rockler, " Gatsby " from Penn State Industries.
There are also versions named " Mesa ", " Zodiac ", etc. , etc. , etc.

If you become overwhelmed or confused by their similarities and differences and names, you are in good company !!! . . Tiny differences in styling attract different names ! . . Don't even try to keep them all sorted out in your mind !!!!

After a while, they all get called " Sierra " !!! . . The common feature is they all use a brass tube with so-called nominal diameter of 27/64", and they all use a Parker-style refill.
 
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Thanks that really clouds things up. 🤔 Just kidding. A friend gave me resin blanks and it said Jr. on it. So to me it means any pen kit that has 12.5mm and a 10.5 mm tubes would work and the Sierra any kit with a 27/64 tubes if that's correct. Thanks that helped a lot.:)

Mr. Bob
 
Thanks that really clouds things up. 🤔 Just kidding. A friend gave me resin blanks and it said Jr. on it. So to me it means any pen kit that has 12.5mm and a 10.5 mm tubes would work and the Sierra any kit with a 27/64 tubes if that's correct. Thanks that helped a lot.:)

Mr. Bob
@run91
Well ..... it is not QUITE that simple. . . But the first hurdle is to not worry too much about the names and accept the generalities cautiously.
There are other kits besides the "Sierra" category that make use of 27/64" brass tubes. . The same is true of the " Jr. " category.
Don't rely on the brass tube sizes exclusively in your thinking ..... but it makes a good start. . . EXPERIENCE will come !!
After all, it is only pens we are talking about, and every pen has basically the same function, so the differences we ascribe to "different" pen kits are, to a certain extent, somewhat artificial and come about because we need the "differences" to facilitate our talking about them !!

I know this is kind of like me saying, " A car is a car is a car !! " ..... but to some people's way of thinking that is true.
But to us pen makers, telling us "Make me a pen !" is not really specific enough so we have to embellish the language we use !!!

When my son was 16 and in the market for his first car, I kinda forced him into getting ( with my $ help) a little Honda sedan.
Little did I know that what he really wanted was a Porsche, but due to other pressures at the time, I thought a Honda would be a good start.
He is now 50+ and he told me the other day that he has just ordered a Porsche. . I still am kind of ignorant about cars and the appeal that a Porsche has to some people. . But I believe I know a little more about "Sierra" pens and why I prefer them to "slimlines" !! . Go Figure !!!!!
 
@run91
BTW ...... Definitely get to know the brass tube sizes.

But be sure to buy yourself a pair of digital calipers, so that you can measure the diameters and lengths of the brass tubes !!!!
You will discover differences between kits which get overlooked by the multitude of casual observers !!!
 
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