Heating your shop

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cowchaser

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With so many pens being showed in the show of you pen section got me to thinking about if people are heating their shops or not. I was wanting to start turning again, but with it in the teens outside I just can't get myself to do it. My "shop" is half of a 2 car garage and needless to say it's COLD. Can't do a CA finish so I figured I would turn some acrylics, but don't want water sitting in my sharpening wheel this cold for fear of freezing and cracking the wheel.


So what are you doing?

Just dealing with the cold or heating it up some how?

I know some of you have shops that have a heat source, but I don't and only have a simple space heater.
 
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I'm one of the lucky ones. My shop is in the basement and there's some heat down there so it never really gets cold even if the temps outside are in the single digits. In the summer it stays cool even without any a/c.
 
I am using some great-big halogen construction lamps. I get lots of light and enough heat to take the unpleasantness out of being in the garage this time of year.

On the downside, I haven't seen the electric bill yet .....

A friend of mine has one of the parabolic reflector thingies (with a burner) that screws to the top of a 20lb (or whatever) propane tank. A minute or two with that thing torched up and it's toasty in there. A quick burn every now and then keeps things tolerable.

Cheers!

Gary
 
I have a wood burning stove to heat mine . This year I bought a kerosene heater from Home Depot that burns 1k fuel. does a very good job and should work in your garage.
 
Dustin,
The answers to this will be as varied as there are styles of pens and species of wood.

Our shop is a 2-1/2 car garage. Two sides of the garage are attached to the house. One side is a northerly exterior wall and the last is the overhead door. All three walls are insulated and drywalled. The garage door has the foam insulation panels. Because our shop is used daily we keep it heated 24/7. We are in central Indiana and generally have no real nasty weather but this weekend and particularly this morning it was very cold outside at 1 and -21 windchill. We use two oil fill heaters to heat the garage and on high the garage was in the low 60s Generally I can go out there in January in shorts and work as it is in the mid 70s as long as it doesn't drop below 20 outside. This increases our electricity by $40 a month which is well worth it.

Please note that it is against code to run a vent from the home into the garage because of carbon monoxide.

Mike
 
My daughter was replacing her furnace to have central air installed w/new furnace so I brought it home ran a gas line from the house to the shop and I am very fortunate to have regular heat. I did use a propane space heater before that in a 16X24 shop, no fun at all. Talk to a furnace company about a second hand furnace maybe they can get you a good deal. Good luck.
 
I used to work out in a freezing garage, but this is the first winter in my new 1200 s.f. space, heated by 2 gas stoves. They are hooked to a thermostat to give me a perfect 62 every day, even when it's 12 degrees out. Like today.

Wear layers...

Dale
 
My shop is divided into several rooms, so I am able to heat only the room in which I am working with a kerosene heater. Even on the coldest day, it only takes an hour or so to reach 80 degrees in the shop.
 
My shop is one side of a two car garage that isnt insulated. Yes, it gets cold in there with temperatures dipping down into the teens the last few nights. I did some extensive research and decided to install an Englander pellet stove last October. This little unit is incredibly efficient and pumps out some heat, so much that we leave the garage door to the house open at times. It heats the garage entirely and warms up the first floor of the house pretty good. You can buy a 40lb bag of premier hardwood wood pellets at wholesale price around $5.00 a bag, one bag will last me about 16 hours. I go through 2 - 4 bags/week, that's pretty cheap energy.
 
Well, I may look into these propane or kerosene heaters since the company is probably moving me and I don't want to sink any money into something I can't take with me.

Are you venting you small propane or kerosene heaters outside?

Oh and Carl that is just plain mean and wrong..lol.
 
My shop is half of one part of a three car attached garage. I put a new indoor/outdoor dual thermometer in my garage a few weeks ago. It looks like the inside temp is running about 15-25 degrees higher than the outside temp, at 4:30 this morning it was 21 degrees outside and 39 next to the lathe. We will only have about 10 days per year when the temp is in the single digits or lower here so it isn't too bad to keep working. I keep the CA inside except when I'm ready to use it. Are you sure that it won't work in the cold? I've heard that, but I've never had a problem.
 
I have the same problem as you. All I have is 2 space heaters and minimal insulation. My shop is about 350 square feet and the space heaters work, but it can't be colder than 50 degrees. I want to install a small wood stove, but used ones are impossible to find, used.

FYI, be careful with propane and kerosene heaters, they do produce carbon monoxide regardless what the box says.
 
My shop is also in the garage. The garage is not insulated and I'm only using a couple of small space heaters. When the weather got to -40F I stopped turning. It should be warming up to about 15F this week and I'll probably go back to turning. On the bright side however my goal before Christmas was to sell enough pens to cover the cost of my lathe. I more than reached that milestone already. Now I'm going to investigate the cost of insulating my garage. If it seems feasible, then that might be my goal for next year.
 
2 electric space heaters. 1 is a ceramic and the other is a old resistive one. I don't know how it's going to affect my bill, but at least I can turn out there when its in the single digits. And putting up that tarp to hold in the heat and enclose the pen shop has really helped.
 
My shop is an uninsulated 2.5 car garage I share with my truck. I have a forced air propane heater rated for 75k-125k BTU. It easily heats the garage, but it drinks the propane...
 
I vote for Kerosene...I use a two car garage...Uninsulated and not sealed. So here is what I am doing...I have the 70K BTU torpedo. I run out and turn the heater on for 20 mins before I go out. Bam...Its probably in the 60's at that time...I am talking today...In Ohio...temp 10 F and -12 wind chill. I have just used up my first 5 gallons of K1 this week...Price is 2.99/gallon. I think I will probably need another 5-10gallons to get me through the year. I am not out there every day or it would be more.

Idea...Hmmm...Sometimes I wonder about my ridiculous brain...The torpedo must be plugged in to 120V to run...I guess to save my self some anguish, I should put it on a remote so I can remote start the heater without ever having to run outside to get cold. Detach garages suck!!

Grub32
 
I use a Mr Heater "Big Buddy" and a 20Lb propane cylinder
to heat our uninsulated 1 car garage.
It does a good job,has hi, med,and lo settings so once
Hi has the chill out,back it down to med or lo for just comfortable.
It also has a built in blower,runs for a long time on 2 D cell batts.blower is
not super powerful,but helps some.
Had it on yesterday our temp was in single digits,and it did a decent job
even with cold drafts pushing in around a side door.
Very portable,and when summer rolls around,you can stick the tank back on the gas grill.
 
I don't actually heat my shop, although I have one of the small electric heaters from Wally-world that I will occasionally use. I have a stand alone metal building with a composite wood floor raised on blocks, no insulation. Fortunately, here in east TN, most of the time the temp is not so bad. I can usually work for a short time until my feet get cold, then I give it up. Today it was 12 deg when I work up and warmed up to almost 30 by mid day and now is back down to about 23 deg.
 
I share a shop with my father-in-law that is a stand alone building. It has everything except running water in it. We heat it with natural gas. Probably spend more time out there in the winter than any other time.
 
My shop is an uninsulated garage. I use a Dish Radiant Heater. It doesn't attempt to heat the whole garage, only what is in its path. I just make sure it's pointing wherever I'm working. When I'm in front of it I'm nice and toasty, step out of its path and I'm cold.
 
We keep certain things in my shop that needs to be kept warm. So, we have a self stoking, self cleaning coal stove. The stove heats water which runs through pipes in the floor. On a day like today -45 with windchill, it's still 72 F inside. It's a 16 x 40 foot shop with an uninsulated large type car door that's 12 x 12 feet.
One semiload of coal which lasts about 3 years usually costs about $350.
 
Since I work with resins a great deal, I use 2 ceramic heaters, so I don't have any open flames or sparks.

Hmmm ... an open flame would be trouble for many of the materials we use (not to mention the dust we put into the air). I suppose that means any gas furnace should be vented to draw fresh air from the outside ... but I've read in this thread that many of you use propane space heaters ... aren't you worried?

What to do ... what to do ...

Well, I've been procrastinating for three years now (and freezing my tail off) ... this time I'm really going to add heat to my out building ... (all I have to do is sell just a few more pens). So I'm very interested in the advice people have been (and will continue) to share. Thanks.
 
I have a small 10 X 12 insulated shop and I use a oil filled radiator style heater from Home Depot ($60). It sits between the drill press and the end of the work bench, out of the way. I set the clock and the temp and it comes on at 6am and the place is warm by 8am. This is a barn type building with a loft so it has a lot to warm up but the ceiling is insulated so it is quite comfortable even in the coldest weather. It is not desigend for a large space and there are probably larger ones available but there is no fire hazzard. When warm weather come I just unplug it untill the next winter. May add $10 a month to my electric bill but it is worth it.
 
I have a converted single car garage that I closed off part of for a shop. It's insulated and heated with a propane wall heater. I use a 20lb tank that sits outside the heated section. I only run the heater when I'm out there, so it's cold for awhile but not bad.

My bigger issue is the cold tools and tool rest. I think I may have a solution for that...I'll post more on that later.

Tim
 
I've been looking at a space heater from EdenPure (http://www.edenpurestore.com/) that 'sounds' good from the sales material, although I have a few concerns (I'm waiting to hear back from the manuafacturer). In the meantime, has anyone else used one of these bad boys in their shop?


Save your $300+ and use it for a real heater. This heaters are packed full of marketing BS. They are only effective at lowering heat bills because they allow a room to be heated to a comfortable level without cranking up the heater for the whole house. It is the same as having zone control for your house. Basically they are an electric heater, and electric heaters all do the same thing, use electric. At 1500watts, or 1.5kw per hour or about 8-10cents per hour...$2 a day. Sorry for the rant, but I'm not a fan of these overpriced heaters in a fancy case. Let's not even get started on the Amish built cases...plywood and not great workmanship.

Tim
 
My shop is 32x40, pole style. I installed walls between the poles, a pressure treated board on the bottom and then boards go up and attach to the headers, no board over the top to close the top of the wall off. I marked off where I wanted certain tools. I installed 4" pvc piping for dust collection across the attic and down into the walls from the top. I drywalled the walls, cutting out the electrical boxes and the holes for the dust collection, therefore no dust pipes are visible in my shop, just like a central vac system in a house only larger pipes. I bought tons of bales of blow in insulation from big box store and borrowed their machine for the day. I walked around the shop with ladder and hose blowing all the insulation down into the walls from above. Then drywalled ceiling and installed vent baffles to prevent insulation from getting into the soffits. Then I blew in the ceiling with 12" of blown insulation...by then the walls had settled down about 10", but the ceiling insulation being done second fills in the settling of the walls. I pre-planned a plug at the back of the shop in the ceiling. I also built an attic door with fold out steps and on the ceiling right beside the door is a switch that turns on attic lights. For the ceiling plug at the back, I installed a Modine "Hot Dawg" flush mount ceiling heater. These days, you can get heaters that can mount direct on the ceiling, which is a real bonus! It is a direct vent outside, propane shop heater, running off a 100 gallon pig behind the shop. It is not a fire risk, even though it is an open flame. The heater is built for a work shop. The dust in the air would have to be super thick for it to explode, and to reach the proper wood dust to oxygen ratio is difficult, and when the fan kicks in, it's impossible to explode. Air being burned comes from outside, not inside...that's how efficiency is obtained. I paide $1000 for the heater and that included installation. I run the heater 2-3 days a week on average, and I burn about 85 gallons through the entire winter which is at least 5 months here in the banana belt of Michigan. That's about $170 in cost to heat the shop for the entire winter of me in the shop time. When not in the shop, the heat is off and when it is -20 outside, it is still 30-34 in the shop. At 40 degrees, the heater takes about 2 hours to heat the shop to 67 degrees, which is the temperature I like for working in the shop, unless I am doing a lot of hand sanding, and then I drop it down a few degrees.
Also, I have insulated overhead doors, a 16 footer and 9 footer. The insulation is pretty pathetic though. I bought 1" foam 4x8 sheets from the box store, with aluminum on each side. I cut them and jammed them into the door panels. I simply use 2" masking tape and I tape the seams of the doors, to prevent wind coming through them, even though they have a tongue and groove type fit for opening and closing well the wind can still get through. Finally, I clamp the door tight to the wall at the top and the sides. These little things make a huge difference!
 
Move to Houston and you can worry about how to cool down your shop/garage -- even in winter. The weekend before Christmas I had my big turbine fan going full blast to get some air moving.

When it is cold (about 3 days a year here), I heat my shop/garage with a propane Mr. Heater. With the garage door cracked about 6" and the Mr. Heater going full blast, the entire garage is warm in no time.
 
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I have a small 10 X 12 insulated shop and I use a oil filled radiator style heater from Home Depot ($60). It sits between the drill press and the end of the work bench, out of the way. I set the clock and the temp and it comes on at 6am and the place is warm by 8am. This is a barn type building with a loft so it has a lot to warm up but the ceiling is insulated so it is quite comfortable even in the coldest weather. It is not desigend for a large space and there are probably larger ones available but there is no fire hazzard. When warm weather come I just unplug it untill the next winter. May add $10 a month to my electric bill but it is worth it.

I also use one of the same types of heaters. My shop is 12'x16' (exterior) but with a lower 1/12 pitch roof. It works just fine as long as you use it regularly. I have learned that once you let it get pretty cold, everything in the shop is cold and it takes a while to warm up. I do have a propane heater that goes on top of a 20# tank that I will use only if I want to heat up the air quickly. I try to avoid that because of the flame and CO issue. Oh, the shop is insulated with R-13 in the walls and R-19 in the ceiling. There is no insulation in the floor, but it sits on 4x4's so it is not in direct contact with the ground.
 
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