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Wow...reading that really puts some stuff in perspective. We all get so wrapped up in our 'high end' kits that we forget that there are some drawbacks to using the mass-produced kits that we buy. I've been intrigued in the past reading through the fountain pen section here, and amazed at the price people will pay for a nib. Being basically fountain pen challenged myself, I've never even considered the amount of engineering and craftsmanship it must take to make a good mechanism.

Now I'm depressed, Lee. [:p]

Tell you what, though, the first time someone who buys a $50 fountain pen from me and loses it, it won't hurt near as bad as the expensive stuff! heh

I'm going to go build some more POS crappy stuff. hehe
 
I am very curious what kind of pen this is and offered to repair it for the guy. He did get back to me and will send over a photo later on. This is a point I have made many times though. Here is a guy that has the ear of many people who might buy one of our pens. This one guy will probably never go back to the guy he bought it from, or may never find him!

He loves the body and said it was gorgeous and because he is on that web site, I have to guess he is not the "run of the mill" pen user (sounds like a FP too) so it was not likly a mass produced "hit it to 220 and wax it" pen.
 
Doesn't he have a receipt and warranty card for the pen? I put those out with every pen including the lower end ones. I also would have been happy to repair the pen if it was one of mine or if it was an unknown penmaker and I had the parts. If I can help with the parts Lee, let me know, we aren't too far apart and I have several churchhill kits sitting in stock. He needs a valium or something too. :)
I may not have the exact parts as I don't carry the POS brand...LOL
 
I dobut it, I assume that he bought it, maybe even paid cash, and has no clue now who the seller was. I will keep it in mind if I can't source the parts, once my die for the cap threads come in I have a feeling that I will no longer use the cap thread coupler. :D

So worst case, maybe I would just have to "borrow" it until I get a replacement part. ;)


Oh, and just to show that store bought ones fall apart quickly...

http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=57132 :D
 
Lee, Just let me know what I can do to help. I have a good amount of misc. parts sitting here waiting for that one special pen. Maybe we can change this guys mind about penmakers. And hopefully he will post a retraction.
 
Looks like Griz hasn't changed.

He is a good pen-maker, though!! Was an inspiration to me (No tongue in cheek, for a change!) when I came to IAP.
 
I wonder if anyone out there has a Mont Blanc, Stipula, Monte Verde FP that "somehow" broke before its time. Will the "pen snobs"[}:)] dare to make such bold accusations against the brand name(s)[?] Hey, sh*t happens and I personally do not feel a sense of guilt about the good quality pens that we make here but somehow are not appreciated by the FPN. JMO and I like it:D
 
I broke a Sheaffer cap, an Eserbrook clip and snapped the thread section off of another Esterbrook trying to heat a section that I think may of been glued in place.

I will say that I broke these pens trying to take them apart to restore though.

My daily use pen (right now) is a very nice 1950-1952 Sheaffer Statesman in burgandy. You CAN tell the diffrence in quaility from a kit pen though. It was a ready to use beautiful pen with a soild gold 14k nib for $32.00 :D I just bought a brown one just like it with the trumpet style 14k nib for $20.00, it's a sickness! :D
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Lee,

Are those the threads on that little piece of silver METAL??? And, would the threads on the cap be inside on a separate PLASTIC insert???

Just wondering.

You say you CAN tell the difference from a kit pen. Why? Nicer nib? Writes more smoothly? OR, you know it's a Shaeffer, and everyone knows Shaeffer makes a GREAT pen???
 
Well, yea, the 14k gold nib is a far cry better than the gold wash steel nib anyday as anyone here will admit to, that fact I am sure of. But lets just to take this one pen and what makes me say that there is a diffrence. (As an honest viewpoint)

The cap threads are in fact metal, which makes it a metal to metal threads! It is a bit strange, but on a daily basis it the cap does stay on better than my Jr. Statesman's pens do for some reason. I lend this to where the cap band locks to the step cut into the body. The centerband appears to be pressed into the cap much like our kits, with a good inch or so depth much like the Jr Statesman or Churchill. Both those two pen kits have a prefect cap design. (Newer Jr. Statesmans have a better thread insert, I dislike the shorter cap thread version) The Sheaffer clip is secure and the holes it goes into can not be seen. I do feel that the clip would be far eaiser to break out of the cap though. The Churchill has a stronger clip mounting, but take the metal ring. This ring has a slot cut into it .209 wide while the clip tang that fits in that slot is just .152 which leaves "slop" of .057" why? Heck, the clip part itself is only .201"! This leaves a visable gap and allows the clip to slip side to side. That can allow the finish to be scratched and feels cheap.

The section on the Sheaffer is very nice to hold, although I was originaly put off by the lines turned into it. One big design that makes tah Sheaffer strong is at the end of the barrel. The barrel has a ring before the metal threads, but in fact fits over the body like a cap. This one little part matches, in looks, what our trim ring does on the Churchill between the body threads and the section. However, because its a cap over the body over a washer it makes the threads on the body very strong. In order for the body threads to crack & split from the section it needs to get past that trim ring / cap.

That said, yes.. cracked threads are a real problem in the "store bought" pens and you do find many pens with this problem. Although many of those are from trying to remove the section without heat. For those pens it is not a simple fix like making the thread coupler on the Churchill like the Ligero style or even a metal thread insert like the Gentleman/Statesman kit. They compromise strength by making the body all plastic or celloid, but we have our parts built around a brass tube with many hardware options and have fixes for this issue.

Lastly, that pen is what, close to 60 years old and the center band and clip are still gold. How many of us have had the top of the line gold ti wear in places? I hate to even bring it up again, but if you all remember the Jr. Statesman I had CSUSA replace? Well they have the same plating issues and are even worse from Rhoidum. I feel that a good chrome plating might hold up better!


I did not post this to bash any one kit, but to answer if any "snobs" have broken "expensive" pens and if they blame it on the maker. I say yes to some of that. I have seen many of the pens like my Sheaffer with broken caps where the clip mount and if they used a better design it would not break like that.

Why do they look down on the kits pens? Here is a Jr. Statesman that is less than 6 months old in Rhoidum / Black Ti. I personaly would say this is an expensive pen that we would be selling, Right?

Here is what the section looks like, and it had been well cared for by me and I use Ren wax on the pen and hardware too. Maybe this is one reason they feel that way. I have another Jr. Statesman and a full sized Gent that looks just like it.
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Pens break, big deal. You pay $100 for a pen amd it break and you have a fit. You spend $40000 on a car and it needs a tuneup every year or two and then the tires wear out and we accept this as okay, so when my pen breaks, I either make another one or if I can't make one, I would buy another one. Nothing in life last forever, nothing. My comfortable shoes are seperating from the sole, should I call the manufacturer and complain about it after a year of wearing them? Even worse, my 18 year old water heater is shot and will be replaced on Monday, should the original manufacturer pay for this since I bought it already once. It seems that everything is made cheaper now than it was years ago, but we pay a whole lot more for it. It is sad to say, but it is out of our control.
 
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