curing stabilised wood

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Gary Beasley

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What would be the result of curing the blanks on a wire rack in the toaster not wrapped in aluminum foil as recommended in the Cactus Juice videos and instructions?
It seems to me if the juice dripping off didn't affect the quality of the blanks it would save a lot of effort in the cleanup after the blanks are cooled. So what is the ultimate purpose of wrapping the blanks in foil?
 
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What would be the result of curing the blanks on a wire rack in the toaster not wrapped in aluminum foil as recommended in the Cactus Juice videos and instructions?
It seems to me if the juice dripping off didn't affect the quality of the blanks it would save a lot of effort in the cleanup after the blanks are cooled. So what is the ultimate purpose of wrapping the blanks in foil?

The purpose of the foil is to contain the excess Juice and cause some of it to cure at/just below the surface. I have not had time to do any testing (YET!) to see the difference in final weight of the blanks with each method. There are a few folks here who do NOT wrap in foil and they seem to get great results. Just be sure you have a drip pan to catch the excess and keep if from dripping onto the elements.
 
I might just have to try that. Seeing how the surface of the blank is all turned away by the time the pen is done that surface curing seems a waste of time. I had a heck of a time cleaning up the mess on the outside of my blanks and don't really relish having to run them through the bandsaw again to get a clean surface. This will be especially important when I get to try some pinecone cores in the stabilizer.
 
I might just have to try that. Seeing how the surface of the blank is all turned away by the time the pen is done that surface curing seems a waste of time. I had a heck of a time cleaning up the mess on the outside of my blanks and don't really relish having to run them through the bandsaw again to get a clean surface. This will be especially important when I get to try some pinecone cores in the stabilizer.

I'm yet to try curing the blanks without the foil paper, I know that the issue has been raised and I know that Curtis will do some testing when he has the time that at the moment, he doesn't seem to have so, I could do the tests if Curtis is OK with it, I have all the equipment to do it however, some may not accept my results the same way as if Curtis do them himself, as the Cactus Juice "originator" and seller so, I do not want to interfere with Curtis good work and will accept a "NO" without any "hard feelings...!":wink::biggrin:

In between wrapping the blanks with foil and then cleaning all that dry excess resin that I tend to get a lot more than I would like (due to the blanks being extremely punky/soft and the amount of resin soaked into them during vacuum...!", draining the wet blanks for some hours, didn't change anything at all as the resin stay in the wood until the temperature reaches the curing stage, creating Juice expansion from going from liquid to solid form, therefore expelling the excess resin within the blank/wood.

This excess resin is overwhelming sometimes, particularly because I tend to stabilise and cook equal amounts that correspond with the vacuum chamber and oven, which is 16lt so between 50 to 100 blanks are done at one time resulting is always resin escaping from the foil, either due to a small rip/whole made while wrapping or simply the Juice finding its way to the foil top opening. Even with a tray under the blanks, some resin runs out and into the base of the oven, leaking its way from under the oven base metal joints.

I have noticed that, the liquid solution that runs out, may not be 100% Juice but also water from heat condensation, that liquid never hardens...!

Now, is obvious that, there is a lot of Juice in that oven, about 1 gallon (original size drum) or close enough, remember the chamber is 16lt capacity so, there is a considerable amount of chemical reactions in that oven as the temperature raises to the 90°C for curing so, I would be the first one to appreciate having a little less of a mess to clean however, I tend to believe that, the foil paper may assist the wood to cure, preserving most of the resin necessary for the best results, something that, may could be lost with the resin being expelled and leave the blank parameters, by falling/dripping of the wood...!

Does the foil protect the wood from the possible "burning" off...??? I'm not sure...!

As for the cleaning up of the excess dry resin/juice in the blanks out surface, the best way I found is to take the blanks to the disc sander, making sure the first surface to be sanded is straight with the wood and then rotating the blank of the sander's table, so that the sanded surface is always down, against the table, this way the blanks are sanded square (if the table is set square 90° to the disc...!)

A little time consuming...??? sure it is however, and due to the fact that most of the blanks I stabilized are for sale on my eBay store, presentation is most important so, I doubt that the blanks without the foil paper, would come out good enough to be sprayed immediately with varnish for colours/grains enhancement, without any sort of surface dressing/sanding...!

I could have done all these tests and find out but, I have been OK with the extra clean up, while I get the good results I'm to expect from the whole process, is there room for improvement...??? I believe so...!

Cheers
George
 
Gary,

If you are getting a lot of Juice on the outside, make sure your oven it truly at 200° F. Don't rust the dial. Get an oven thermometer and set it on the rack. Don't use a meat thermometer or non-contact thermometer as they only measure surface temp. If you are running higher than 200°, you will get a lot more Juice coming out of the blank. Another thing that contributes to excess Juice on the outside is moisture in the wood. I recommend drying your air dried blanks in the same toaster oven at 200° F for 24 hours prior to stabilizing to get them to oven dry state. Any moisture in the wood is likely going to boil when curing since the cure temp is real close to the boiling point of water. When the water boils, it expands as steam and pushes some of the Cactus Juice out with it. Don't worry about burning the wood while drying. The flash point of wood is around 525° F as as long as it is not in contact with the elements, you will be fine.
 
I checked my little oven with a digital thermometer with a nice long probe. It was cycling from 185 to 215 in the heating cycle when set at it's lowest point of 150 so I'm thinking its running a good average 200. My next batch was a lot cleaner I guess because I wasn't monkeying with the heat setting trying to figure out where it was going. I still want to see how it works uncovered though.
 
I bake Cactus Juice stabilized blanks without wrapping in foil. I put the blanks on an improvised rack sitting over an old cookie sheet (which serves as the drip pan). I'd recommend a drip pan whether you wrap your blanks or not. I had some juice seep out from wrapped blanks once, and it was a real mess to get off the bottom of my oven.

Anyway, the blanks come out with with a little resin attached where they touched the rack. The remainder of the surface is clean, but darkened a little (as if toasted). The wood just below that surface is solid with resin and not discolored.

I hope that helps,
Eric
 
I do several different stabilized materials in CJ and no foil, but I do put a healthy wrap of foil in the pan in the toaster oven!! I actually like the effect better when I stabilize for others...just looks cleaner.
 
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