crystal clear aluminite turmed white!

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elody21

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I did a couple of crystal clear aluminite blanks in the serria resin saver silicon mold.
I really do not understand what happened. I used a pressure pot.. The top and the bottom of the blanks were cloudy and the sides were as if I added white color to them. I also had some extra mix when I poured these and those mold turned pure white.

Yes I am sure it was crystal clear aluminite
Yes it was a clean cup and stirrer
does any one know what happened? Alice
 
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This is caused by moisture. Been there, done that. With the small volume used in the resin saver molds, you also should pre heat in order to get the CC to really fire off the reaction.

Tom
 
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try to mix more.
How can you prevent the moisture? I washed the mold out before using because of dust. It is possible I didn't get it totally dried out.
I did notice that when I disconnected the air hose there was water in it? How does that happen?
I am used to using PR resin but because of health issues I am not supposed to go near it. I am open to any other ideas also. Thanks Alice
 
Water in the hose means you aren't "draining" your compressor (there is a release nut on the bottom of the tank). If you don't do it periodically, you not only get moisture but rust as well.
 
Wow Alice...you gave yourself several opportunities to get some water into the mix. If it wasn't mixed right, then it still shouldn't be white, but it might be soft in some spots from improper mixing. The resin saver mold requires a bit more demold time due to less volume, but does not have to be pre-heated for success. Water sounds most likely the issue, the mold being wet and/or the air being wet in the hose. You can get an air dryer, a pretty good one, at HF for about $30. You still should drain that tank every so often too. Even still, you can get a bit of moisture in the line, but this can be eliminated by doubling the amount of air line to 100 ft. Air gets warm inside the tank because it is being compressed. The air outside the tank may be cooler than inside the tank, which will result in condensation on the slick metal surface inside and outside the tank. This water needs to be drained. This same thing also happens inside the air hose. Plastic is slick, so hot air and cold air do the same thing there too. Doubling the length of the line will reduce some moisture in the line as well as prevent the possibility of condensation inside your pressure pot caused by warmer air introduced in there, because the longer air line will give air a chance to cool before it exits the hose.

On a side not...alumilite is not a great product for casting clear tubes in a resin saver mold. It just doesn't stick good enough, like if you are casting labels or skins, then you should switch to PR. The alumilite will stretch a hair when you assemble the pen kit and the stretching action will cause the resin to seperate from the tube. Because PR is so hard, it does not stretch itself free from the tube. If you are casting tubes but the resin is colored, then it wouldn't matter, because if the alumilite pulled free of the tube just a hair on either end then it wouldn't be noticable.
 
Even still, you can get a bit of moisture in the line, but this can be eliminated by doubling the amount of air line to 100 ft. Air gets warm inside the tank because it is being compressed. The air outside the tank may be cooler than inside the tank, which will result in condensation on the slick metal surface inside and outside the tank. This water needs to be drained. This same thing also happens inside the air hose. Plastic is slick, so hot air and cold air do the same thing there too. Doubling the length of the line will reduce some moisture in the line as well as prevent the possibility of condensation inside your pressure pot caused by warmer air introduced in there, because the longer air line will give air a chance to cool before it exits the hose.

Sorry, Jeff. The laws of Thermodynamics don't allow this. The moisture content (water vapor) in the air leaving the compressor tank equals the moisture (liquid water or water vapor) arriving at the end of the hose, no mater how long, how cold, etc. The moisture may arrive as humid air, or as droplets. No amount of hose volume (length) will change it. And Alumilite doesn't like moisture, be it humid air, or droplets (air below the dew point).

The compressor does indeed need to be drained, and an air drier or filter coalescer will help.

As for the comment about not needing to pre heat the mold, I defer to Curtis, and the instructions provided by Alumilite.

Regards,
Tom
 
Right...Tom, I'm not saying the moisture won't travel through a longer hose. I'm saying a longer hose will deliver cooler air by the time it reaches the end, so if the pot is cold from sitting in the shop, it won't be receiving a warm blast of air which can create a new moisture issue inside the pot.

It is absolutely true that alumilite never requires a pre-heated mold, but when it is poured in thinner volumes, the demold and cure time will increase. I pour with the resin savers and it takes a couple hours before you can be sure they are good to come out with no pre-heat. I pour dragons and other things that are miniscule in size and the cure on their own in the pot with no pre-heat. If you heat it, you will not make it better, but you will make it faster. Another option is to heat the tank too. An electric blanket covering the tank will help set up the resin faster in thin or thick pours. You can call Carol or Mike and they will tell you straight out that this is all true. Everyone has their own techniques, the results should all be the same, but the time required will vary.
 
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