Buying new laptop...need input

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Hello all, I am finaly looking to purchase a new laptop (the current compaq was purchased in 2001...way past it useful life) but with all the "possibilities" I just can't decide. I have the software worked out its the hardware I need help on.

This is what I think I need; 2.0 - 2.2 GHZ, 4 Gig Memory, at least 250 Gig hard drive, 8 in 1 card reader, built in ethernet card, ability to play & write to both CD & DVD, decent built in speakers. Optional: Blueray disk player (if not adding a lot to the cost) wireless option so I can have in garage as I work and can print shipping labels without having to go in the house, built in TV Tuner (?)

Things I will not use, web-cam, no gaming involved,

What will I be doing:
For daily stuff, internet, managing and working with pictures, The normal office suite, word, powerpoint, excel etc, able to network so I don't have to go upstairs to print,

So, what do you all recommend?

Thanks, Eugene.
 
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I would go with either Sony or HP. I have two of each and love them. Most of that stuff is standard nowadays and shouldn't run you more then 1-1.5k.
 
I just bought an Acer laptop for about $435.00 at Best Buy. 16:9 screen, Vista Home Premium, 160 gig hard drive, 2.0 hz. I thought it was a great deal and even though I'm a Mac person, I like it a lot. Only had one problem with it (an early crash), and the Acer guy was fantastic on the phone. Restored the hard drive on my wireless network at home.
 
I just bought a high-end desktop for myself, and laptop for my daughter, for about $550 each. They're both HP's. I'm at work and don't have the time to go into details now. I'll try to get online tonight to provide more details.
 
I think you have the specs right for most things... Blu-ray is probably overkill... unless you plan on watching movies on it ALOT and are going to blu-ray anyway.

What I would suggest, since this machine will be lasting you a long time is a DUAL Level dvd burner. Also called DL or DVD9 burner. This is double the normal size of a dvd today and quickly becoming the standard for burners.

Wireless will be a given.. Good internal speakers is hard, but VERY dependant on the setup (location and size). You havn't mentioned screen at all.. Thing VERY hard both about the size and type of screen... Size drives how big the laptop is an type of screen will make a BIG difference in how it looks - I strongly recommend an active matrix type reflective screen. Look into the different types.. Some are WAY better than others.
 
my son has the macbook and loves it, uses it all the time. apple has been great on the one service item we had, repaired it in shop within an hour, no charge even though (slightly) out of warranty.
 
Hello all, I am finaly looking to purchase a new laptop (the current compaq was purchased in 2001...way past it useful life) but with all the "possibilities" I just can't decide. I have the software worked out its the hardware I need help on.

Eugene; BACKUP! I would make sure the DVD disk player can use DVD +RW (re-writeable) disks. Get a decent back up program and use it every two weeks if it kills you! I use NERO for creating disks and backup. Hard disk failures are a fact of life and the HD in a laptop is in a high stress environment.

I worked in computer networking and security. In this job, paranoia is a job skill! You may want to invest in a program that can take a "snapshot" of your entire HD. I use GHOST. Even if you have a backup of your data, it doesn't do you any good if it takes you 2 weeks to reinstall the OS and all the software you are using.

PS. I would not use either Outlook or Internet Explorer. Using these products is like wearing a sign on your back that says "Kick Me!". I use Thunderbird and Firefox.

Is my paranoia showing?????:wink:
 
Since nobody has mentioned it yet, let me suggest Dell. I have two Dell laptops, and they have been rock solid! If you watch ableshoppers.com you should find a good deal.

Scott.
 
Check out rjtech.com. I bought a gaming laptop from them, and have been nothing but impressed. On the systems they sell, everything is upgradeable. You can upgrade the processor, video card, ram, DVD burner, etc. The dvd burner I have just slides out. You pull the lock tab out, and push the eject button, and out slides the burner. I have a spare hard drive that goes in that slot for backups. The hard drive upgrade or replacement is just a matter of yanking a few screws and pulling her out.
Also, it's got a high resolution screen. 1200x1920.
The maker is clevo. They make all the high end laptops for Dell, sony, alienware, voodoo, etc. They even have a bluray burner option available right now. Wireless a,b,g,n. They also have processors that will make the desktops at best buy look really slow.
Oh, and when I bought mine, the closest dell for comparison was just about a grand more expensive.
FYI, and fancy laptop doesn't make me spell or type any better.
 
Macbook. I've been trying to find a way to afford a Macbook Pro to take with me to shows and such. It would also replace my G5 tower - but only because Apple screwed me and made the switch to Intel a few years back, and now I'm seeing a decline in software written for PPC970.
 
Eugene,

My son wrote a SUPER LONG response for you as follows:

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Under $1000: Dell Studio 15 / HP Pavilion dv5t

Under $2000: Dell XPS 1530 (Recommended, actual price is under $1000 too if you follow the guide)

I've chosen the 15" models because it seems like you need more of a desktop rather than portability, not to mention if you have an old computer the weight will be basically the same. If you're looking at something more portable than 15" look at the 14" on HP, IBM, and Dell. I would include Fujitsu and Sony, as they are amazing brands, but they are also expensive.

Dell is a great manufacturer, when it works. There are problems with Dell burning out with lower end models, such as the Inspiron series, rule of thumb with them is even if you're really on a budget never skimp on the warranty. HP warranty is pretty questionable, I can't say much but I hear it's not good. HP is also the "higher end" of Compaq but the fact that most of their parts are the same, it's more of a warranty difference.

I recommend the Dell XPS m1530 (15" version) or the m1330 (13" version). The variety of ways to cheat the price and make is much much lower (more on this later), the parts availability, the included warranty, and THE OPTION TO USE XP makes it the ultimate laptop. XPS is seen as a gaming computer and you said you don't play games, but what makes a gaming computer? The best parts. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it but the XPS series not only looks good, but performs.

My configuration recommendations: 2.4Ghz+ Processor, 2GB RAM, 120GB+ Hard drive, LED screen.

Processor: Don't skimp on this but don't get the newest model either. Just because you only "need" a 1.8Ghz dual core processor doesn't mean you should get it. Remember when you only "needed" 200Mhz? What people always remember is that that point one Ghz is 100Mhz x2 (~200Mhz). Spend the extra money for a 2.4Ghz or better, stay away from anything under 2.4Ghz and 2.6-2.8Ghz processors are currently for the rich who can afford it. If you're lucky, follow the saving money section and you might find a 2.6Ghz for cheap. Power consumption on the 2.4Ghz processors are much lower, longer battery life, and ~800Mhz faster than a 2.0Ghz processor. Less power for faster is worth the extra money.

Ram: You won't need over 2GB since if you choose the XPS you can use XP but other brands go for the 4GB even though you'll only see 3.5GB. Always buy the cheapest, lowest RAM out of the factory and upgrade it later. It's so easy to upgrade RAM on current machines and it won't void any warranties, anyone who knows how to use a screwdriver can do it. 4GB ram will run you about $35 after rebate, versus the $100+ they charge in the factory.

Hard drive: Your requirements seem like nothing over 250GB is necessary, externals and replacements are cheap if you want to upgrade later but I'd recommend at least 120GB, maybe 80GB if you want to skimp on it is fine too. Solid slate drives are amazing and if you really don't use a lot of storage they will make everything much faster. If you go with SSD upgrade after you buy, G.Skill 32GB is about $130 which is the most reasonable but will not fit Vista. You'll take less power, less heat, more stability, and much faster with SSDs. Intel has 128GB SSDs for like $700 but those, again, are for the rich.

The screen: Never before have people had to choose a screen but with new technology there's a choice. LED is amazing, once you go LED you won't go back. LED is thinner, brighter, and clearer, than the alternative. If you can't afford it, see the money saving paragraph but trust me, next to the processor this is the most important thing. I'll place HDMI in here even though it's more of a port. M1530 has an HDMI port to connect to HD TVs, this is just a nice plus.

Optical Drive: Blu ray is very new. If you want to spend the money on the drive you're looking at anywhere between $300 to $600 dollars more. I don't see a need right now but if you want it, I think m1530 has an option? The DVD writer on the m1530 is not the greatest for writing but it gets the job done and not many people need high speed burners (which are more unreliable in most cases). If Blu ray is a must, IBM (Lenovo) has the cheapest but you sacrifice too much in my opinion.

SAVING MONEY! http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnline...line/en/InventorySearch?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh

(Dec. 17 2008, no good models) Sort by processor, check the rest of the specifics later, remember LED!

Dell outlet is great for refurbished products, and CHEAP. Refurbished have almost no failure rate because of the extra testing and if you're not happy with it, send it back (they have some kind of time limit). If something is broken, they'll send a technician out to your house to fix it, unless it's major, then you have to send it in (XPS only). Amazing deals there sometimes but it updates every few hours with new stock so you have to try your luck, and when in doubt, add it to your cart and look at it later so that no one else can get it. Again CHECK FOR LED some don't have it! Outlet does have coupons sometimes, 15%-20% off the already outlet price but usually people buy all the good models fast. Also, Dell Outlet has tax and somewhat high, $30, shipping cost. Ebay is great too but make sure it has a warranty, remember Cash Back!

By now you're probably wondering why I even put the m1330, Studio 15 or HP. Well the HP had stunning reviews but I know nothing about it so I'll suggest it and follow the configuration. The Studio 15 is a rip off of the Sony Vaio S series design and I thought it looked cool, it is cheaper than the m1530 but weighs more and does not have the higher end parts or warranty. The m1330 is more portable than the m1530 without losing any power but for a little higher price.

Proud owner of an m1330, had some problems along the way overheating, faulty keyboard (both taken care of next day), but for everything I've done to it, it was well worth the price. 2.2Ghz, 2GB ram, 120GB hard drive, LED screen, finger print scanner (looks nice but never use it), and nVidia 8200GS (gamer thing). It's a year old, made before 2.4Ghz and higher processors were released. Love it.

In short, go with the m1530. Just the ability to UPGRADE to Windows XP makes it much better than most of the other systems. Add a reasonable price, gaming performance, great looks, an outstanding warranty and you have a solid choice for a laptop. If you can't afford it, at least pay attention to the configuration.

No idea why I wrote this much… College is getting to me.
 
Eugene, How interesting, everyone thinks they have the best, take a good ook at IBM, I have dell and I have problems. Yes I have more than one computer, in fact I have three. Look at IBM. Carl
 
Getting back to you as promised. Here's the route I took, its not for everyone but it has paid off for me. I buy buy machines refurbished. These units can be had at almost half of what the same machine would cost new. Refurished units are systems that were returned to the manufacturer for various reasons. There could have been a part missing or broken, or the customer simply decided he did not want the unit because the screen was too small. The manufacture brings the system up to factory new specifications, then sells them at a discount over their new units. They also sell them to other retailors , like eCost.com. eCost.com sells them for even less than the manuacturer.

Four years ago I bought a refurbished desktop for myself, and another for my wife. There were both HP Pavilians. Both units have been solid, and trouble free. My wife is still using hers, and I just replaced mine only because I wanted newer technology.

I got myself a high-end quad core system, the HP Pavilian M9350F. 6GB Ram, 750GB hard drive, etc...I'm sure you can find the specs online. The HP outlet store had it for $699; eCost.com for $656, and Ebay had a Buy-It-Now for $759.99 and free shipping. I took the eBay offer, and used the Microsoft Cashback to get an additional $200 off, which brought my total cost down to $559.99. quite a deal for a system this powerful.

I also bought a really nice HP Pavilian DV9820US laptop (17", 4GB Ram, 250 HD, Webcam, DVD R/W) as a Xmas present for my daughter. It has everything you wanted and more. Using the same buying methodology I used above, the system ended up costing a total of $564.90.

Refurbished units come with a 90 manufacturers warranty. HP will repair, or replace the unit if anything goes wrong during the warrenty period. I did buy an aftermarket warranty for my daughter's laptop. It begins once HP's warranty expires, and covers everything...soup-to-nuts for a year for $79. Even if she drops it, she gets another laptop, or a refund of the original cost.

Again, going the refurbished route is not for everyone. If you're squemish...buy new.
 
Eugene,

Hate to talk bad about a product but --- I bought a Dell laptop about 8 months ago and am very disappointed with it and the service offered by a third party. Selected small for travel and ONLY paid $1,200. So, I guess I shouldn't expect much, right? Our company uses Lenovo laptops (formerly IBM) and has been very satisfied with them.
 
I always liked dell products. I have a desktop and a laptop. You could go to their sight and build your own and just put in what you need. I have heard that vista has a lot of kinks that still need to be worked out, this is why I opted for xp instead.
 
With all these recommendation, you need to consider one thing.

Every brand listed will have lemons. Every single brand that has been recommended is a good laptop. I have owned 5, yes 5 Dell desktops. And have recommended Dell to other friends. 2 laptops and 2 desktops. All are still running perfect to this day.

I also have friends that have owned Toshiba, HP, and Gateway. I own a Gateway laptop. And it has been trouble free. I like Dell, because you can configure the units to your specs and not have to buy off the shelf units. I custom built computers for years and I like the option of changing what I didn't like.

I have had some issues with my Dells, but they have always got me the parts next day air. So, I would recommend buying their extended warranty. Also, if you buy another brand, buy locally. And buy the extended warranty. It will pay for it self in one crash.
 
The most important question is how much can you afford to waste??

If you want a computer that is going to last and never have problems, BUY A MACBOOK!! There isn't anything close!!

It is worth the extra money. I have used ALL varieties of laptops and desktop computers. Nothing works and lasts like a mac. If your wallet can stomach the initial buy in, it will be well worth the future headaches that will be overted buy having the mac and not a pc.

My current mac book is a 2004...It starts up from shutdown to internet service in about 25 seconds. No PC can do that. If you need an explanation, PM me.

I work on computers for a living and will never own another PC, only Mac.

Grub32
 
Laptop; and the winner is....

UPDATE; 28 DEC.
Thank you all for your input. It helped a lot in selecting what I needed/wanted. I actually went through all the posts and made a chart with the "must have", "nice to have" and "include if free" options. I also included the mac-book but the price was an issue right now since I am JOBLESS. I had the list next to my computer and had highlighted the options I was looking for but was putting off purchase until 09. BUT, Santa got ahead of me and when I got up on Christmas morning it was under the tree. My wife took the specs I had highlighted and went shopping and this is the end result.
Gateway Laptop 2.2 GHz, 4 GB memory, 320 GB hard drive, DVD/CD RW, wireless WiFi, 5 in 1 merory card reader, and a bunch of other nick nacks and a two year warranty. So, it is up and running and compared to the old laptop it is FAST, really FAST.
Again, thanks all for the help.

EUgene.
 
My .02
Where I work, we use Dell laptops as desktop replacements-they get used hard everyday, moved constantly, dropped once in a while too (mine fell off of a cart and survived). We have docking stations which allows us to use a monitor and keyboard. They weren't cheap but they seem pretty robust. We have a 2 year refresh cycle but my first one I had for 3 years; they are configured with MS Office and XP for the OS. I purchased a computer to send with my son off to college-I knew that it would be a hostile environment and get moved a lot as college students take them to class. I opted for a Dell (625 series). It was not the most expensive one or the prettiest, but the Aggie Geeks really liked how it was configured and it has weathered one semester without any problems. It has Vista for an OS. I purchased a laptop I refer to as the "craptop" as it was on sale at Bestbuy-paid 400.00 and it has an intel processor (stay away from celeron and any AMD X2 as they are getting long in the tooth) and has Vista; I went to www.openoffice.org and downloaded a totally free office suite that works great. The craptop so far has been a nice take along with no emotional attachment. Much to the marketing chagrin of apple, I've found Vista to be an OK OS-a bit insecure as it constantly asks for approval to do something. I bought my daughter her own craptop for her birthday-she is a teenager and she has an amd chip X2 series; not bad, but the similarly equipped intel processor runs rings around it. I really wouldn't recommend a mac-their price just isn't there yet and don't let anyone sell you a used one either. I purchased my wife an Imac for Christmas and it is great-if you are left handed, you would love it as it is a little "different". Have you given though to spending more and getting a "toughbook"? IBM or Lenovo offers a really robust laptop that might suit your needs as well-there are times when I wish I had a laptop in the shop so that I could looksomething up. Mac guys-your laptops are pretty and elegant, but they are "different"-I'll probably get an Imac someday...
 
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well, i'll chime in because after two dell laptops and an ibm, I switched to Mac and will NEVER go back. Why? I am a marketing consultant and have been plagued by viruses, crashing hard drives and the like. It's been a very costly experience. And, sadly, back up drives don't always do what they were supposed to do.... I have stories that would make everyone cringe! Which isn't to say Macs are immune to this, they are just much less so. I've switched my parents and my IBM-loving engineer sister over too - and now we all are happy to report that we can just drive the car and not worry about being the mechanic.

Yes, Macs take a little adjustment and some programs aren't available. But, for the most part, I really have been very happy with mine. I use a powerbook pro. I'm just hoping that the laptop will maintain performance beyond 3 yrs.... something that Dells seem to never be able to do. I swear they build them to implode....

Now, just don't get me going on the iphone. THAT is a different story. :)
Just my two cents. Good luck!
 
I know this isn't the popular choice, but that is rarely what I go with anyways. I have in my house 5 Acer laptops along with 2 Toshibas and 2 HPs. WHen I go to replace any of them, it will most likely be an Acer again. They have the most cost effective laptops as far as a I am concerned and they have never let me down. The rare occasion that one may need something, I talk to someone that is a tech and not just reading from a book. Their customer service dept. is top notch and I wish the rest would copy them in that deptartment.
 
Mac's closed architecture is something you either love or hate-used one in undergrad and worked great until the power supply crapped out-talk about costly! If you just want to get in the car and turn it on, have someone else change the tires and oil, then perhaps Mac's are for you because other than adding memory, you are stuck-but you look good doing it and are cool too. I admit that when I asked about anti-virus, I was surprised to hear the clerk say that most people just to get them with Macs. I looked at the Acer's too-pretty cost effective and for the price of the cheapest Mac notebook, you can easily by 2 maybe 3 "PC" type notebooks.
 
Just the other day I was at my cousins, and a family was staying at his house. Their house had burned on the 24th because of a faulty battery in a dell.
Check for recalls on them.
 
My gateway laptop died a month ago. I put a new hard drive in and upgraded my ram the other day. I have to use a PC for my graduate school courses. When I graduate next Jan. my goal is to buy a Macbook Pro. Yes it is different, but it is good! Just like web forum software is different, you can get used to it. You can also run Windows on the same machine! Maybe if I keep my grades up, the wife will let me get one!
 
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