Very cool stuff there Dan. There are some very talented people doing that stuff. I'm afraid that going for work like that will eat all available time for me. I had checked into getting casting equipment and a kiln, but realized that compared to the stuff I'm doing, it would eat up more hours with the learning curve and all the steps need to do everything. I always try to keep options open, but I think it might be a backward step for profitability compared to the way I do them now. It might be an option should I get another machine with the high speed spindle, but I still wonder if that type of product would be more work than it's worth. Something like sculpted pen bodies would be a good thing because they don't vary, but rings come in all different sizes and widths, so a sculpted one, like a skull would have to be remodeled each and every time.