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Not the whole thing, but this recent casing pen contest really bummed me out, I have somewhere around 150 maybe 200 kits laying around, and lots of nice wood, but, I can't seem to take the time to actually do something innovative, I think I have the talent, I know I have the equipment and the requisite skills, some how I just can't get the motivation, After seeing some of the outstanding work done by a few members, I am getting upset with my commercial built to sell junk, taking the cap off my IBO emperor and making a press in thingy to drive the transmission has to be the final straw. Now I'm faced with 5 shows in the next two months and in a total funk, I actually screwed up the finish on a neat segmented long click pen I noticed it soon after pressing it together, I need lots of slimlines, but I don't want to turn slimlines, Man what a bummer, think I'll go ruin some Walnut.
Wah Wah Wah maybe I'll go whine to my dogs.
 
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Maybe you should get the Whiney Butt award!! Would save you some postage and sounds to me like you deserve it!!:biggrin::tongue:
 
It's ok, Ken. Think of it this way, if you're not turning then you're not getting hurt. I'm sure the wife appreciates that.
 
Take some time off, bro! Say the heck with the shows, a nice time away from the lathe has always turned up better quality pens at the end of the sabbatical (not to mention more fun)!
 
I can't really take any time off from the shows, the problem is I'm not using much creativity, and virtually no innovation, I need to do 30 or 40 slimlines, and 50 or so tooth pick holders, but all I see is the work, not the stuff I want to do. but that's the stuff that sells two of the shows are monsters, probably 70% of my years sales. the others are local shows that I'm expected to attend. but after seeing what Butch,Jim and Steven did in the casing contest I'm wondering what the He## I'm doing, and why is my stuff so bland and boring, I guess I'm just in a summer funk and gotta get my big butt turned around.
 
Ken, I feel your pain. I know I am capagle of amazingly beautiful pens but do not really wanna. Have a show in Sept. and don't know where to start. Some days I just don't feel like it but what about the good days.

I do not try to compete with some of these guys. I surely do not have their imagination or experience. We've gotta keep on pluggin through the muck.

Hold your chin up. It'll get better.
 
Let me frame your motivation.....

MONEY
Does that help at all? It's a means to an end right? You do these shows so that you can buy more blanks and kits and have free time to turn out things like you want.
 
Ken; Everyone gets that way from time to time. I actually quit making pens for several months because I just couldn't get "into it!". Try something else.
 
If I may be so bold as to suggest, what you may need is to think through what is important in the work you are doing and selling. Ask if your techiniques are the best you can make them, and if you are going to sell YOUR work, is it the best quality you can make it -- Your are not selling pens, your are selling your time and effort and skill as represented by the pens.

Your goal should be to provide the best quality and best shape and best finish consistent with the customers you deal with. Now is when your skill and workmanship needs to shine ---

And as you put your best effort into each pen, you are in the best opporutnity to ask how you can put better design ideas into the work you are doing. Develop a new (at least for you) technique that better represents what you bring to the lathe and to the market -- maybe a different pattern, or color combination, or shading, or....l

Your head, your heart, and your imagination will come together to leverage the new and better from your efforts, if you are looking for better.

Kind of like -- If you are looking for miracles, you see little miracles happen all the time. But you have to look for them to be able to find them.

So -- get to the lathe and get to thinking and inventing and improving your ideas.
 
That is why I gave up trying to sell pens. When I go to turn a pen that is to be sold the only thing I see is work. When I go out to the shop to turn something because I want to (not have to) I end up enjoying myself.
 
Venting

Not the whole thing, but this recent casing pen contest really bummed me out, I have somewhere around 150 maybe 200 kits laying around, and lots of nice wood, but, I can't seem to take the time to actually do something innovative, I think I have the talent, I know I have the equipment and the requisite skills, some how I just can't get the motivation, After seeing some of the outstanding work done by a few members, I am getting upset with my commercial built to sell junk, taking the cap off my IBO emperor and making a press in thingy to drive the transmission has to be the final straw. Now I'm faced with 5 shows in the next two months and in a total funk, I actually screwed up the finish on a neat segmented long click pen I noticed it soon after pressing it together, I need lots of slimlines, but I don't want to turn slimlines, Man what a bummer, think I'll go ruin some Walnut.

Wah Wah Wah maybe I'll go whine to my dogs.

If you cannot whine here then where? Don't worry about it! Everyone has the blahs sometimes!
 
Ken,
I agree with Randy. Try something else. Somthing that you have never done, Try a bowl or a lidded box, something different. Don't do it for the expectation that you will sell it, that should not the motivation. Good luck.
 
The dogs say "shut up" don't wanna hear it. .I deal with this 2 ways..walk away for a few days and go fishing..or research and try something totally new..gets my brain cells humming..sometimes it's flat work..sometimes I build a new shed..sometimes I clean out an outbuilding that needs it..or fill up the truck and go to the dump...we all do it differently..you'll snap out of it..good luck
 
I can't really take any time off from the shows, the problem is I'm not using much creativity, and virtually no innovation, I need to do 30 or 40 slimlines, and 50 or so tooth pick holders, but all I see is the work, not the stuff I want to do. but that's the stuff that sells two of the shows are monsters, probably 70% of my years sales. the others are local shows that I'm expected to attend. but after seeing what Butch,Jim and Steven did in the casing contest I'm wondering what the He## I'm doing, and why is my stuff so bland and boring, I guess I'm just in a summer funk and gotta get my big butt turned around.

Ken,

What is the largest number of slimlines you have ever turned in a day? Well, we're about to hold a contest. Good news --- YOU WILL BE the WINNER!!!

Spend some time drilling and tubing about 50 slimlines, get them well organized, faced, ready to turn. NOW, ideally you get up Saturday morning (it was always Thanksgiving day for me) and set about making a new "record production day". Have your honey bring coffee (or your favorite drink) every couple hours -- but DON'T stop, just slow down and sip. At the end of the day, you can look at all those pens and say, "Wow, no one will believe I did 44 pens in one day!!" But, it doesn't matter if they believe you -- you have 44 pens to sell (at $30 ea-over $1250 - not a bad day's work).

Try it, it works for me, every Thanksgiving. (Except I make cigar pens)
 
Even something as fun as pens can seem like work sometimes. What works great for me is when pens seem blah, I pick the grossest, hardest, least exciting project to do around the house and I spend all day doing that. It's so miserable that even making slims feels like a joy. Not only that but that project is then off the list, the LOML is thrilled, and everything else seems more fun! I hear what you're saying though. I would do anything not to have to make a bunch of slims for craft shows. That's why I'm trying every other avenue possible b/c life's too damn short to do something you hate.

You could also have some middle school kids turn them for you and buy them a couple video games or something as compensation. A monkey could turn a $30 slim.
 
Ken, I took last years holiday season off due to personal reasons. I haven't done a show since and have just been selling to my usual customers and stores in the area. I needed the time away from the crap to get back into what I wanted to do. I know the money from the show is important, but sometimes you just need to take a break and clear your mind. I'm hoping to get back to some of the shows this fall but if I don't do them, it will just be more time to clear my head. Sometimes you just need to take a break and get away from the pressure that you put yourself under to get the creative juices working again. That being said, when I get home tonight, I'm going fishing.
 
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Even something as fun as pens can seem like work sometimes. What works great for me is when pens seem blah, I pick the grossest, hardest, least exciting project to do around the house and I spend all day doing that. It's so miserable that even making slims feels like a joy.

Now that is an attitude and philosophy to have! :biggrin:

Personally, I am driven more by the excitement of creation than by income. Repetitious deja vu all over again drives me up the wall too! :wink: I get no fulfillment even with double the cash. There have been a couple of times that I doubled the price of a project just because I didn't want to do it - and got taken up on it anyway. Should have tripled the price.

To me, pen turning and even flat work is my enjoyment. When creation turns to work and deadlines are part of it - it becomes stressful.
 
the problem is I'm not using much creativity, and virtually no innovation....................but all I see is the work, not the stuff I want to do.

I can be the same way, but I have actually found some level of "delight" in refining the things I do routinely. Closed-end fountain pens are kinda my specialty in my market---not that I can come ANYWHERE close to Anthony or Lou (at least I don't have to compete with them around here :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:).

After making 5 or 6 of them in one day (often identical pens purchased by an organization) it gets a bit boring. But I find myself finding just how hair-shaving razor sharp I can make my skew chisel (which does 99.5% of my turning) with my wet/dry grinder (cheap knock-off Sheppach), how smooth I can make each cut, and how "dead-nuts" I can get each end of the barrel to mate up with the pen part.

Not that I necessarily sweat those details legalistically.... but I do it, I reckon, to entertain myself when it gets a bit redundant with everything else.




but that's the stuff that sells two of the shows are monsters, probably 70% of my years sales.
Hmm. Unless this is income you are dependent on, I think your prices need to go up on the things you are most bored with :cool: and you start making a few nutso-freakin-expensive pens (like the $200-300 range) to make your $35 slimline appear to be EXACTLY what it is--- a well made, handcrafted pen that is well worth the price. Otherwise we can appear to be the dudes who make the cheapo plastic pens that cost $1 each.


I use the fun-n-expensive pens (which do, on occasion, sell) to show off just what I can do.... which admittedly isn't what YoYoSpin or Eagle have done. But still, pretty freakin cool compared to a crap plastic overprice name brand fountain pen.

but after seeing what Butch,Jim and Steven did in the casing contest I'm wondering what the He## I'm doing, and why is my stuff so bland and boring
Only you think that. There have been several customers I have that I took to THIS website and had them browse through the "Show Off Your Pens" forum just so that they can see the possibilities.

I've also taken them to YoYoSpin's album.

That shows them just how custom and personal every hand made pen is.

I have YET to have one of them ask me to reproduce anything here on the forum, not even close. Most of the time they want something they "special pick" from some wood I have in front of them or from their own "sentimental" life, or a custom PR color (that I mix, or order from someone here) they want.


I don't think most people out there want the really schnazzy wild looking stuff. I've bought some very wild, beautiful, crazy handmade blanks before, and the pens just sit there.... meanwhile, I am selling normal desert ironwood, curly walnut, and some mallee burl just fine.


I like things simple. Complex stuff just gets expensive--- whether it's complex designs, complex finishing techniques.... complex glue-ups, complex kit malfunctions (I limit my kit selections VERY stricktly for this reason). I'm tending more and more to just having 50-75 pens made (no shows) and really doing more "made to order" stuff than anything else.

I also only make/sell about a dozen pen types. My customers have no idea how many pen kit varieties are out there, and really would just be overwhelmed. I stick to what I have had the best success with, what the customers like, and what I know is a reliable, sturdy pen.

I dunno if any of that helps... sorry if it's long ;)
 
Matt. I took most of the day and worked on a bowl, spent the rest getting reauqainted with my old VW, a few runs down a narrow winding road put a wee bit of spark , Odd how slamming into a hard corner at 70 or so gets your heart pumping, My bug handles like a go kart, but I haven't been playing with it much, a quick tune up and adjust the valves, and it's a fun thing.
I just got my head too far into that stupid contest, and bogged down, I started a pen that I couldn't finish, I had great ideas going in but just couldn't pull it off.
Around here tops I can get on average is 45.00 slimlines 20 to 25, I've got a bunch of Jr's and too many emperors for this area it's a pretty poor part of Tennessee I've just gotten into a rut but maybe between the bowl and blasting the roads with my trusty old bug, I think I may have found some needed therapy. The man always gives us what we need, even if we don't know we need it.
Thanks
Ken
 
I can't really take any time off from the shows, the problem is I'm not using much creativity, and virtually no innovation, I need to do 30 or 40 slimlines, and 50 or so tooth pick holders, but all I see is the work, not the stuff I want to do. but that's the stuff that sells two of the shows are monsters, probably 70% of my years sales. the others are local shows that I'm expected to attend. but after seeing what Butch,Jim and Steven did in the casing contest I'm wondering what the He## I'm doing, and why is my stuff so bland and boring, I guess I'm just in a summer funk and gotta get my big butt turned around.

Darn you Ken...I guess I lost your vote too!

I sell cheap pens, I sell expensive pens. I don't worry about inventory much. The pens like the casing contest, those are really fun to do and cost less than a kit pen but sell for 10 times more money. I don't want to show up though with just 20 pens. What I do is make 6-8 kit pens, then work on something more fun. When that's done make 6-8 more kits. It gets done when it's done. 1 project at a time. Don't overtask yourself. You should be making pens for you more than for sale. When it becomes a job, it's not fun anymore.
 
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