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In another thread, Randy said, in part, "The more I use email, the less reliable I consider it to be."
Have to disagree. I believe e-mail is about as reliable a communication tool as there has ever been.
Downside is that many people do not check their e-mail on a regular basis. To many, it is still a novelty and not understood as a means of communication.
We can't blame the messenger.
 
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Frank I agree.

Phone call- other party may not be always there.
Letter (posted) can be lost.
Fax is like email or can be mis-routed (multi user).

While you get better confirmation with phone calls...it only works if you really talk to the person. Even with that, with my age, I sometimes forget things discussed. For me, email is 99.99 percent reliable and it is my preferred form of communication since I have something written to go back to as reference.

It also have no bounds...I can email my sibling back home (Philippines) without worrying of the long distance cost or time constraints. Hard to call an area that is 13 hours ahead of yours ;).

I love email. [^]
 
I think a lot depends on how well the program checks Junk Mail. I have several e-mail accounts and I was checking my junk mail folder in GMAIL (over 700 items) and found some valid e-mails.

If the program you are using has an over aggressive spam filter you may never see the message so you think the e-mail system is broken.

That has happened to me with G-Mail and Hotmail.
 
I agree with a caveat. I have trouble sending e-mails to people with comcast and bellsouth address's. For some reason those two domains have seen fit to block my ISP as a spammer. Having said that I know that an e-mail to people at those domains is not delivered as it bounces back to me, so then I look for an alternative form of contact.
 
Originally posted by VisExp

I agree with a caveat. I have trouble sending e-mails to people with comcast and bellsouth address's. For some reason those two domains have seen fit to block my ISP as a spammer. Having said that I know that an e-mail to people at those domains is not delivered as it bounces back to me, so then I look for an alternative form of contact.
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Now that you mentioned it. Most of my problem is receiving email from AOL. Some takes a few days before arriving. [B)]
 
Originally posted by kcordon

I think a lot depends on how well the program checks Junk Mail. I have several e-mail accounts and I was checking my junk mail folder in GMAIL (over 700 items) and found some valid e-mails.

If the program you are using has an over aggressive spam filter you may never see the message so you think the e-mail system is broken.

That has happened to me with G-Mail and Hotmail.
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I use G-Mail and only had 2 mis-categorized email as junk over the past 2 years. I hardly get any junk in my inbox as well. Pretty good as far as I am concerned and I am very pleased with it.
 
Dario,

Either you are lucky or I am unlucky. I mostly don't use my GMAIL account because I get so much junk mail and any mail that I want sometimes gets lost in the mix.

I was a very early user of GMAIL and I must have gotten a really good e-mail address because of all the Junk I have always gotten into that account.

I do love e-mail, but don't love the spammers that cause all of these problems.

Kevin
 
You can't blame junk mail filters for any of this. If there wasn't spam, the junk filters wouldn't be needed. I also use Gmail and have never lost an email to junk. But with all email systems, you need to watch your junk mail box and re-categorize the email if it does end up there. But, I do agree, some ISP's and also some web hosts get overly aggressive with spam filters and kill good emails. Still can't blame them, they are just trying to protect their customers.
 
I would much rather use email, especially for business. I keep every email for work up to a year or two. I find it very usefull to be able to go back and check exactly what was said in past emails.
 
Well, what do I do, agree or disagree?

E-Mail is far from perfect! Oh, the sending is "usually" fine, and the transmission is OK as well. It is the RECEIVING that seems to be a problem. And as with anything that depends on humans, there will always be problems there.

I get between two hundred and three hundred spams per day. I have a pretty good spam checker, called Mailwasher. But it's just a piece of software. During the Bash I am sure I missed some E-Mail from friends because I was going too fast and ended up deleting them. Some people, as mentioned, just aren't E-Mail "wise" and mess up the message on their end. There are times I skip over an E-Mail intending to open it later, and never get back to it! E-Mail is just as reliable as the people attached to both ends!

As far as the Bash prizes that weren't received, there could be any number of innocent reasons for this. As long as we know, we can work it out.

Scott.
 
Ever since Comcast bought out Adelphia and my main email address was forced to change, I’ve been getting intermittent indications that emails sent to me are not getting through. So, I decided to run this issue to ground...and here’s what I found...a very dirty little secret:

1) Comcast, as an example, has nine active email servers...at least one of which is almost always on a spam blacklist somewhere.

2) When these email servers are placed on another ISP’s blacklist, email sent to me via that ISP will have a one in nine chance of getting through.

3) There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of companies involved in managing, blocking and providing info related to spam. Many ISPs employ a third party for spam blocking and blacklisting “servicesâ€.

4) Some of these 3rd party spam blocking and blacklisting “services†are really running a scam where they actively seek out and blacklist ISP’s email servers, then demand a fee (ransom) to have the offending ISP’s email server un-blocked.

5) The situation is very dynamic, with literally thousands of email servers being added to and taken away from thousands of other ISP’s blacklists every day.

6) If your ISP has been blacklisted as a spam enabler, it is probably not possible for you to do anything about it. These blacklisting “service†providers are not regulated, make up the rules as they go, and usually demand that a representative of the offending ISP contact them to initiate de-blacklisting actions (pay a fee).

7) Many of the larger ISP’s resolve this situation by disabling their blacklisted email server’s IP and setting up a new one. That’s one of the reasons why Comcast has nine email servers, and why the IP address for these servers changes occasionally.

8) If you happen to know your ISP’s email server IP address, you can use this website to determine if your email is being blocked by some anonymous third party and/or another ISP: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/. It's not a complete or turn-key list of blocked servers, but will give an indication at least.
 
Originally posted by YoYoSpin


6) If your ISP has been blacklisted as a spam enabler, it is probably not possible for you to do anything about it. These blacklisting “service†providers are not regulated, make up the rules as they go, and usually demand that a representative of the offending ISP contact them to initiate de-blacklisting actions (pay a fee).
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When I moved my website to a new host, I had problems with some of my emails being blocked as a spammer by AOL. All it took was one phone call and about 10 minutes of my time to get it cleared up. Considering this was AOL it was pretty simple.

Good Link, Thanks
 
Originally posted by Rifleman1776

Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA

Frank, mark this on your calendar and make a notation in your diary.

I agree with you.
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This is Frank's wife. I regret to inform you that my husband just died from heart failure.
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Mrs. Frank,

I know how you must feel. Just try to keep a straight face until after the services and then you can kick loose and party your heart out!!!!!!!!! Free at last, Free at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [}:)];)
 
Originally posted by Rifleman1776

Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA

Frank, mark this on your calendar and make a notation in your diary.

I agree with you.
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This is Frank's wife. I regret to inform you that my husband just died from heart failure.
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You guys are a riot! LOL :D
 
Originally posted by wdcav1952

Originally posted by Rifleman1776

Originally posted by Ron in Drums PA

Frank, mark this on your calendar and make a notation in your diary.

I agree with you.
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This is Frank's wife. I regret to inform you that my husband just died from heart failure.
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Mrs. Frank,

I know how you must feel. Just try to keep a straight face until after the services and then you can kick loose and party your heart out!!!!!!!!! Free at last, Free at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [}:)];)
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My first reaction when I read Ron's post was a grin and a chuckle. When I got around to reading Mrs Frank's post, I went pale for about three seconds till I figured out it was suppose to be funny.
then Of course I really got a kick out of it. I'll have to say I did get a quick fright, though. As far as email, has anyone with a Gmail account noticed the ads on the mail page has something to do with some of your emails sent? For privacy sake, I just they are just scanning the subject line.
 
Originally posted by Rifleman1776

.....Have to disagree. I believe e-mail is about as reliable a communication tool as there has ever been......
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Not quite sure I understand what Frank is disagreeing with? I never said that email was unreliable or that there were better or more reliable method of communication than email. First off let me ask anyone to raise their hand if they have never sent an email that was not received or never failed to receive an email that was sent to them.

Frank obviously missed the point I was making in the other thread. All I was trying to do was make the point that email is not infallable and things can go wrong. If you are in a situation where something does not happen that you expect to happen as the result of an email communication, it makes the most sense to me to assume the email was the problem and re-communicate your message by email or some other means.

It seems to me that a lot of people, my self included, assume all of their email is properly sent and received and that any problem is the result of something else. Based on my experience, that is just not always the case.
 
Originally posted by toolcrazy

You can't blame junk mail filters for any of this. If there wasn't spam, the junk filters wouldn't be needed. I also use Gmail and have never lost an email to junk. But with all email systems, you need to watch your junk mail box and re-categorize the email if it does end up there. But, I do agree, some ISP's and also some web hosts get overly aggressive with spam filters and kill good emails. Still can't blame them, they are just trying to protect their customers.
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I agree with this. Our email system has 3 levels of protection. If an email gets through the server filter it then goes trough a spam filter and finally a junk mail filter. The only the spam and junk mail filters can be overridden. If it is blocked by the server filter, I recive no notification of any kind. Presently I am unable to receive the specials provided by PSI and Woodturningz as they are blocked at the server. The server filter also blocked my email statements when I tried to go paperless. Image the difficulty in making timely payments when you never receive a statement. That created a huge headache and problems with the credit rating.
 
Originally posted by Randy_

Originally posted by Rifleman1776

.....Have to disagree. I believe e-mail is about as reliable a communication tool as there has ever been......
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Not quite sure I understand what Frank is disagreeing with? I never said that email was unreliable or that there were better or more reliable method of communication than email. First off let me ask anyone to raise their hand if they have never sent an email that was not received or never failed to receive an email that was sent to them.

Frank obviously missed the point I was making in the other thread. All I was trying to do was make the point that email is not infallable and things can go wrong. If you are in a situation where something does not happen that you expect to happen as the result of an email communication, it makes the most sense to me to assume the email was the problem and re-communicate your message by email or some other means.

It seems to me that a lot of people, my self included, assume all of their email is properly sent and received and that any problem is the result of something else. Based on my experience, that is just not always the case.
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Randy,

What was the final hand count on your survey? Once I update to the visual server you use, I won't have to ask simple questions like this one. :D
 
.....my son is the IT guy for a venture capital group that owns and manages a number of motels and a hotel. Last week they had a period of 48 hours when they could get no incoming email messages. He spent 7 hours with Microsoft researching the problem and it seems the problem was a server Microsoft had closed in December and on 26 March it began labeling messages as "Spam" and the filters kept them from being received. Apparently this affected the entire Internet and Microsoft tech service has finally addressed the problem on one of the message boards.
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Posted recently on another forum that I visit.
 
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