Gluboost but which one?

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I would like to try gluboost as a finish but which one should i buy? I ve seen one marked as "fill n finish" and another one just plain "thin". We are talking about 30 euros/bottle postage included so i can buy only one, but which one? Any suggestions? Cheers, mike
 
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I use thin (red) and ultra-thin (dark green) for pore filling and stabilizing. For the finishing versions, the labels are orange (thin) and blue (less thin than orange). I am unsure how I would pick one or the other, they are not interchangeable in my approach. In the US, they are available at $15 per bottle, which would suggest half of the 30 euros goes to shipping. Not trying to spend your money but I'm going to guess that shipping would be the same for one or two bottles.
 
If I had to pick just one I'd go with the thin. I put the first coat on and let cure on its own. That's to allow it to soak into the wood as much as possible. The other coats are to build it up enough so not to sand through and give it a protective coating. My guess would be add a couple of extra coats of thin for the buildup.
 
I'm not familiar with "gluboost" how is it different than regular ca finish?

Short answer is that normal CA is primarily an adhesive/glue that also makes for a good hard finish for pens. GluBoost developed CA to be a finish primarily, and by the users of GB, it works. GB is slightly flexible and not as brittle as most CAs. Wood moves with humidity and wide temperature changes; brittle CA will sometimes crack in such cases.
 
I bought the full kit from Exotics, It includes Thin, Ultra Thin, and Fill and Finish (It feels like medium). It also comes with their accelerator and storage caddy.
 
Short answer is that normal CA is primarily an adhesive/glue that also makes for a good hard finish for pens. GluBoost developed CA to be a finish primarily, and by the users of GB, it works. GB is slightly flexible and not as brittle as most CAs. Wood moves with humidity and wide temperature changes; brittle CA will sometimes crack in such cases.
Thank you. I have used Mercury thin flex before I'll have to check out this glue boost
 
I use thin (red) and ultra-thin (dark green) for pore filling and stabilizing. For the finishing versions, the labels are orange (thin) and blue (less thin than orange). I am unsure how I would pick one or the other, they are not interchangeable in my approach. In the US, they are available at $15 per bottle, which would suggest half of the 30 euros goes to shipping. Not trying to spend your money but I'm going to guess that shipping would be the same for one or two bottles.
actually its something less than 30 euros for the glue and about 5 euros shipping, so i suppose i ll go for thin. i don't like the plastic fill so i will try to use as little as possible. maybe a few layers and sand it to 400 so that the wood is not encapsulated in plastic (?). i need to do some tests on scrap wood i suppose.

 
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Mike, there is a company in the UK that stocks Glu-boost now.
You can find them if you Google it.
thank you for the info, the shop i found on ebay is in france; its price is much higher but postage is cheaper and there are no customs fees so its pretty much the same. the thing is that there are more types than i thought: it seems that there is a "fill n finish" and a "fill n finish thin". is the "fill n finish" more thick than the regular ca? cheers

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thank you for the info, the shop i found on ebay is in france; its price is much higher but postage is cheaper and there are no customs fees so its pretty much the same. the thing is that there are more types than i thought: it seems that there is a "fill n finish" and a "fill n finish thin". is the "fill n finish" more thick than the regular ca? cheers

https://www.allparts.uk.com/collect...1jhXVPD7l7l75DCACtZKzQr3pJY6F6WLzKh1F5TA84vC2

Yes, they have regular CA for adhesive and fill and finish CA for finishing. They all work like a CA but the fill and finish line is made to be a finish with flexible qualities. The thins are great for a finish on most things while the medium is thicker and allows you to fill open wood pours and level a surface quicker. The ultra thins are a great sealer and wicks in very well. Here's what the colored labels mean…

Orange label =thin finishing CA
Blue label = medium finishing CA
Teal label = ultra thin finishing CA
Black label= finishing CA with a transparent
black color.
White Label= finishing CA with a transparent
White color.

Red label = ultra thin regular CA
Green label= thin regular CA

I've used red for a stabilizer in pinecone casts and soft woods but now that they have teal label ultra thin fill and finish I use it because it's flexible. I also use it over urethane and epoxy resin casts. 4-5 coats and a quick micromeshing. It's harder and a more durable finish than naked resin and is easier to get a high gloss shine than from straight resin.
 
Yes, they have regular CA for adhesive and fill and finish CA for finishing. They all work like a CA but the fill and finish line is made to be a finish with flexible qualities. The thins are great for a finish on most things while the medium is thicker and allows you to fill open wood pours and level a surface quicker. The ultra thins are a great sealer and wicks in very well. Here's what the colored labels mean…

Orange label =thin finishing CA
Blue label = medium finishing CA
Teal label = ultra thin finishing CA
Black label= finishing CA with a transparent
black color.
White Label= finishing CA with a transparent
White color.

Red label = ultra thin regular CA
Green label= thin regular CA

I've used red for a stabilizer in pinecone casts and soft woods but now that they have teal label ultra thin fill and finish I use it because it's flexible. I also use it over urethane and epoxy resin casts. 4-5 coats and a quick micromeshing. It's harder and a more durable finish than naked resin and is easier to get a high gloss shine than from straight resin.
John you seem to be the spokesperson for this product for some time now so this might be the place to put this info to go along with the OP question. Can you tell us all how you use the product and which ones you use? If you use different ones for finishing which I believe most people are interested in, which ones and how you go about your method of applying. What are some do's and dont's ? How does this product compare to regular CA (which brands were you using)? I get the flex part but how about the shine, how do you achieve your best shine? Does it stay glossy or because it is a flex product does it lose sheen over time like a poly would.? I have never noticed my CA do this except for finger prints which can dull a finish but easily wiped off.

Now this set of questions interest me so I will pay close attention. I like the idea of super thin for wicking so comment on this. Also have you used this in casting such as watch parts. Is it noticeable under the resin no matter which resin used? Will the finishing CA be as strong as regular CA from same brand? Which formula do you use for casting? Again any do's and dont's in this section also?

Finally open times. How long does any of the formulas stay workable without accelerator? Do you prefer to use accelerator? Is there a curing time with and without accelerator?

Along these lines what about shelf life? If unopened is it best to store in fridge or freezer or just leave in a dark cool place? next if it is opened same questions. Is there something that can be done to slow hardening and drying out before getting to use thing?

Sorry to put you on the spot but your voice carries weight here and if you do not mind answering these questions and adding anything else about this product it would be helpful and also make a thread that can be referred to by others if asked about the product. Now maybe there is someone you may want to ask questions to or refer to, to make the answers more complete and factual. That is up to you. This questions and replys keep showing up now and then as more and more people have gone down this road. Just like when everyone was just learning about CA as a finish there were constant questions. Take some time to gather your thoughts and hopefully share them with us. Thanks in advance.
 
I'll first say that Im sorry for how long this reply will be. Secondly, I am not an expert, I just know what works for me in my process. Before Gluboost was offered in our penmaking and woodworking world, it was specifically used in the guitar building and repair world. Mark Dreyer was the first to use it, and the owner of Gluboost, Rick Rosenberg, was looking for another to give an opinion, so Mark introduced me. Since then, Mark and I have been asked to use other products in production before they were brought to market to give honest opinions so the products could be "tweaked" for woodturning needs. I can honestly say I put that stuff to the test, evaluating it as an adhesive, finish, stabilizer and scratch remover. The best part about Gluboost is there is no "one way" that it has to be applied. Mark and I do it differently and both get great results. Before I get too deep in answering what I can, I just want to say, I don't work for Gluboost and I don't receive any payment for demoing or showing how I use it. I only endorse it because I feel it is the best CA finish I've ever worked with.

As far as I know, there is no issue of strength between the Gluboost straight CA and the fill and finish line. I've used it as an adhesive and a finish. When gluing something together, like a broken blank, I apply GluDry to one half and Gluboost to the other. You have a couple seconds to get it in position before it begins to set. I've also used it to fix router tear outs on end grain with great results.

Like many of you, I stared out using and trying all the brands.... Starbond, Satellite, Mercury, EZ Bond... (off the top of my head). In those days it started out with CA and BLO (boiled linseed oil) applied together. The problem I seen was with use the shiny finish dulled, but it was easier to apply than just a straight CA finish. Then BLO was left out and CA was applied very thick and sanded down smooth to a finish, much like my process now, only with less CA applied and other steps applied. There is a learning curve to a CA finish. You have to pay attention to lathe speed, glue amount, how you fold your paper towel, how quickly you move across the blank, how much pressure you apply, etc.... Your Process.

I use all of the Fill N Finish products.... the Ultra Thin (teal label) Thin (orange label) and Medium (blue label) for my finishes. I first practiced on wood.. smooth wood, oily wood, porous wood, hard wood, soft wood, etc... I learned you don't have to use all of the Gluboost thicknesses on every blank. Smooth woods I only use the thin (orange label). For open pours or holes I apply a few layers of the medium (blue label). Now that we have "Ultra Thin" (teal label) I start every wood blank off with at least 2 layers of that. It soaks in, fills grain and sanding scratches, and builds a nice base for what I use next. The beauty of this product is there is no set process. For me, the blank dictates what I need to use when.

Ultra Thin - for scratch sealers on acrylics, base coat on wood, stabilizer in soft woods and embedded object casts, and fine cracks filler.
Thin - finish over smooth woods and acrylics.
Medium - fills pour, voids or tare outs, levels wavy surface or out of round blank, builds up over turned blanks, and works great with
master tints for coloring blank.

As for the accelerator, in past brands I would omit use and wait 30 minutes between coats, trying to avoid any crust or bubbling up. With Gluboost, the accelerator is recommended to get the proper cure. You're building layers so you want each layer to properly cure before adding the next so you don't trap uncured CA under your finish. I apply my CA and accelerator with the lathe on very low, around 600 rpms.
I take a 1/4 sheet of Bounty paper towel and roll it up like a long tube. Then I flatten it so its about 1/2" wide. I start at the tip with glue and work my way back down the towel as I go. I place about a 1/4" circle of glue on the towel and wipe it across the blank. If I'm using medium as a filler or leveling out a surface I stop the lathe for a few seconds to allow it to self level, before turning the lathe back on and apply the GluDry. If I'm filling a void or hole, I apply it with the lathe off so I can get it where I need it. I don't fill the entire hole in one shot, I apply a few layers so it cures properly. When I apply the GluDry, I hold the can out about 10" from the blank and give a 1-2 second burst. I don't need to paint the surface, just get it to mist across the turning blank. Until you get familiar with your process, I would suggest you stop the lathe to make sure the surface is cured before adding the next layer. By lightly spraying the accelerator your curing that layer and now the next layer will cure from both sides... the bottom of the layer and the top after you spray it again. This ensures I have a fully cured finish and not something with a bubble or blister or CA trapped. I kept count on how many pens I could make with one can of GluDry last year by marking the can every time I finished a pen. I made 52 with one can. I applied 4-5 layers of Gluboost per pen then lightly sanded with 600 grit, followed by #0000 extra fine steel wool across the blank with the lathe on high. That seems to smooth the glue out without leaving hard scratches. Then I wet sand with all 9 grits of Micro Mesh, followed by micro fine Yorkshire Grit on a cotton t-shirt with the lathe on high. Buffing is only as needed after that. Some blanks may have slight blemishes that I want to buff out on the Beal Buffing System. Obviously the blank with dictate how many layers of glue and what thickness I'll use. Most of my GluBoost finishes take about 5-15 minutes from start to finish. Just because it worked quickly on one blank doesn't mean it will be that fast on all of them, but my longest finish with Gluboost was still much faster than with any other brand I've used and I've never had a Gluboost finish crack later like I have with all of the other brands. The shine has always held up with use and quickly polished with a rag or shirt if finger prints dull it down. I've read others mention that they don't apply a CA finish over resin blanks. I have found a huge difference between those with and without it. The only resin I don't use it on it Polyester (my feather and snake blanks). That resin is harder than cured CA and finishes to a high shine naturally. Epoxy and Urethane resins are softer and will dull with use. Plus it takes longer to get a shine on these resins with out CA than by just applying a CA finish. It also enhances the colors in a resin cast. I've shown that example on here before by applying GluBoost to half the color cast and finishing the entire blank the same. Colors are more bold/deep/rich with GluBoost over it and the shine will last with normal use because the CA finish is harder than the resin.

As for casting.... I don't care was brand it is, No CA works with Urethan resins. It will work with Polyester resins as long as it's not too deep, but you have to let it degas for a couple days so it doesn't make the clear resin cloudy. I've used Gluboost (green label- thin adhesive) for building blanks to cast but only where the glue is under something and not on the surface to be seen, like snakeskins and such. I know some like to use CA on watch part blanks but I much more prefer clear nail polish for that. It's thin enough to not be seen and dries quick, and it works well with all resins but it needs to be fresh and not super thick.

I like to have an extra bottle of CA on hand. That gives me time to order a bottle when needed without holding me up if I run out, so I'll order a replacement when I'm about half full on the bottle I'm using. I store the unopened bottle in the shop refrigerator. Once it's open, don't put it back in there ( straight from the manufacturer). I always write the date on the bottle with a sharpie when I get it. I've had bottles that started in the fridge before being opened that took over a year before I used it all up, with no problems. Sometimes life gets in the way and I don't make as many pens for a while and the opened CA sits on the shelf above the lathe. I've noticed some get a little thicker but I've never thrown a hardened bottle away before I used it all up, like I have with other brands. I cap the bottle when I'm done for the day but I know others who don't with no issues. My shop is in the basement so it stays cooler year round. I don't know if GluBoost in a hot shop would have the same results.

I've had others ask when to use what with Gluboost and give the best advice I can but the best thing you can do is get a bottle of each Fill N Finish (teal, orange and blue label) and use them. If I had to pick, I would choose (teal label) Ultra Thin and (orange label) Thin. I think you can achieve all of your needs with them but you will have to apply more layers to equal what the blue label Medium does.

I posted links to some videos on how Mark, Ed and I use Gluboost, for anyone who has questions. You can see how we each do it differently and over different materials, but get great results. There are more on each channel you can scroll through and watch but these will get you started. Hopefully it will help some come up with a process that works for them.

My process...

Mark Dreyers process...

Ed Brown's process at Exotic Blanks


I hope this helps and I apologize if I left anything out.
 
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John I thank you for taking the time to explain in detail a few things. My intentions with this was to hope to help others get a feel and some thoughts from someone who has used both CA and Gluboost now for some time. This thread will be a good jumping off point for someone with questions such as the Op of this thread. As I said I was looking at the extra thin because I run into wood projects that have small hairline cracks and figured this can stabilize them and even level out any divots. I know there are many ways to use both CA and this product and most times it comes down to trying for ones self. At least this will give them a starting point. I know there are alot of videos on utube and Exotics and different places and this is great. If others want to link some up there is no problem with that also. Again thanks John for taking the time. That is what makes this site the best.


https://gluboost.com/tutorials/
 
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They don't disclose the viscosity of their ultra thin, I might have to try for CA finishing. I mostly quit CA finishing, I to started out 13 years ago with a boiled linseed oil and CA glue. Then I tried Mercury thin flex with decent results on a straight pen blank it's not too bad but I always have issues on the curves of my seam ripper handles with CA and I make hundreds of those each year so mostly I do a friction polish wax.

I currently I get 16 oz of ultra thin (maybe not flexible) for $58 shipped to my door. Gluemasters ultra thin is ~05 viscosity
I use it all the time for stabilizing cracks and small checks in burls and love it for that. I
 

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Can you elaborate more on your comment about CA not working on urethane.
It works fine as a finish over urethane but ca is visible when cast inside urethane resin…. So if you use it to glue something like watch part gears to a surface and clear cast over it with urethane resin you will see the glue like a clear bubble in the resin. It won't be an invisible transition between materials.
 
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